Narrative:

Time XX50Z. ATC frequency 124.3. ATC facility socal approach. Location fuelr intersection. Quite possible that flight xx on aug/xx/96 crossed fuelr intersection on approach to lax below the 8000 ft restr. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter was not aware of crossing altitude restr still being applicable when cleared for an ILS. He was asked the following question, 'should ATC give clearance for an ILS but add the phrase, 'comply with all altitude restrs,' would that make a difference in planning and executing the ILS approach?' he was emphatic that such a statement would make a great deal of difference by calling attention to the fact that restrs are still in force. Reporter also felt that for many yrs, it has been impressed upon pilots during training, that when cleared for an ILS approach, it cancels any restrs unless restrs are restated. He now knows better. He now plans carefully during the approach to comply with all altitude restrs by using all cockpit instruments, even the standby instruments. Supplemental information from acn 346726: crossed fuelr below required crossing altitude.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FLC CROSSES FUELR INTXN BELOW 8000 FT ON ILS RWY 25L APCH AT LAX.

Narrative: TIME XX50Z. ATC FREQ 124.3. ATC FACILITY SOCAL APCH. LOCATION FUELR INTXN. QUITE POSSIBLE THAT FLT XX ON AUG/XX/96 CROSSED FUELR INTXN ON APCH TO LAX BELOW THE 8000 FT RESTR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR WAS NOT AWARE OF XING ALT RESTR STILL BEING APPLICABLE WHEN CLRED FOR AN ILS. HE WAS ASKED THE FOLLOWING QUESTION, 'SHOULD ATC GIVE CLRNC FOR AN ILS BUT ADD THE PHRASE, 'COMPLY WITH ALL ALT RESTRS,' WOULD THAT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PLANNING AND EXECUTING THE ILS APCH?' HE WAS EMPHATIC THAT SUCH A STATEMENT WOULD MAKE A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCE BY CALLING ATTN TO THE FACT THAT RESTRS ARE STILL IN FORCE. RPTR ALSO FELT THAT FOR MANY YRS, IT HAS BEEN IMPRESSED UPON PLTS DURING TRAINING, THAT WHEN CLRED FOR AN ILS APCH, IT CANCELS ANY RESTRS UNLESS RESTRS ARE RESTATED. HE NOW KNOWS BETTER. HE NOW PLANS CAREFULLY DURING THE APCH TO COMPLY WITH ALL ALT RESTRS BY USING ALL COCKPIT INSTS, EVEN THE STANDBY INSTS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 346726: CROSSED FUELR BELOW REQUIRED XING ALT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.