Widebody transport overflew clearance limit, did not enter holding pattern. Potential conflict with ...

Attributes
ACN	343870
Time
Date	199608
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : wal airport : man
State Reference	FO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : man
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	arrival other enroute : direct enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 182 flight time total : 8600 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	343870
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 4500
ASRS Report	343675
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

While descending into man, uk, flight was vectored south of ub-1 about 30 NM west of wallasey and eventually descended to an altitude of 9000 ft. After a couple more vectoring turns we were cleared from a point approximately 10 mi from mirsi direct to mirsi (controller's instruction was 'go to mirsi'). After mirsi we asked approach control what they wanted us to do at pole hill. Approach control replied that we were supposed to hold at mirsi. We replied that we had received no holding clearance. Approach then told us to hold at pole hill. We entered hold at pole hill. While the controller may have considered mirsi to be our clearance limit and thus desired us to automatically enter the published hold, we had not flown the arrival due to vectors and only received instructions to 'go to mirsi' in very close proximity to that fix. The absence of any instructions to hold and the fact we were on vectors to a point very near abeam the airport led us to believe we were no longer associated with the arrival.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: WDB OVERFLEW CLRNC LIMIT, DID NOT ENTER HOLDING PATTERN. POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH OTHER TFC.

Narrative: WHILE DSNDING INTO MAN, UK, FLT WAS VECTORED S OF UB-1 ABOUT 30 NM W OF WALLASEY AND EVENTUALLY DSNDED TO AN ALT OF 9000 FT. AFTER A COUPLE MORE VECTORING TURNS WE WERE CLRED FROM A POINT APPROX 10 MI FROM MIRSI DIRECT TO MIRSI (CTLR'S INSTRUCTION WAS 'GO TO MIRSI'). AFTER MIRSI WE ASKED APCH CTL WHAT THEY WANTED US TO DO AT POLE HILL. APCH CTL REPLIED THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HOLD AT MIRSI. WE REPLIED THAT WE HAD RECEIVED NO HOLDING CLRNC. APCH THEN TOLD US TO HOLD AT POLE HILL. WE ENTERED HOLD AT POLE HILL. WHILE THE CTLR MAY HAVE CONSIDERED MIRSI TO BE OUR CLRNC LIMIT AND THUS DESIRED US TO AUTOMATICALLY ENTER THE PUBLISHED HOLD, WE HAD NOT FLOWN THE ARR DUE TO VECTORS AND ONLY RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS TO 'GO TO MIRSI' IN VERY CLOSE PROX TO THAT FIX. THE ABSENCE OF ANY INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD AND THE FACT WE WERE ON VECTORS TO A POINT VERY NEAR ABEAM THE ARPT LED US TO BELIEVE WE WERE NO LONGER ASSOCIATED WITH THE ARR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Widebody transport overflew clearance limit, did not enter holding pattern. Potential conflict with other traffic.