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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 316691 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199509 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : rbv |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 20000 msl bound upper : 28000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zbw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 2100 |
| ASRS Report | 316691 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This flight was in the final 1/2 hour of an 8:30 hour flight. The trip had been routine, seasoned crew. This pilot with almost 4 yrs on the aircraft, all on the north atlantic. We had begun the descent early to find a better ride and were now at FL280. When ATC cleared us 'direct manta' I knew the next clearance would likely be to cross 35 NM north of manta at FL200. When we got this clearance shortly thereafter I loaded the computer and told the captain it's in the box with a 10 NM buffer. (So now we have told the aircraft to cross this new fix at 45 NM north of manta.) I figured everything was correctly set. A short while later as I was getting out of my seat to use the lavatory I heard ATC ask if we were going to start down soon. The captain looked at his 'progress page' and said 'yes,' in 10 NM. The controller said we were only 8 NM from our restr. We descended quickly and smoothly but I estimate we crossed 10-15 hundred ft high. The controller said 'no problem.' after landing this 3 pilot crew discussed our experience at length. I don't think any of us will ever know whether this was an FMC glitch, or an incorrect entry on my part into the FMC. Complacency? Only 1 pilot watching the store? Lesson learned!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB FAILS TO MAKE XING RESTR.
Narrative: THIS FLT WAS IN THE FINAL 1/2 HR OF AN 8:30 HR FLT. THE TRIP HAD BEEN ROUTINE, SEASONED CREW. THIS PLT WITH ALMOST 4 YRS ON THE ACFT, ALL ON THE N ATLANTIC. WE HAD BEGUN THE DSCNT EARLY TO FIND A BETTER RIDE AND WERE NOW AT FL280. WHEN ATC CLRED US 'DIRECT MANTA' I KNEW THE NEXT CLRNC WOULD LIKELY BE TO CROSS 35 NM N OF MANTA AT FL200. WHEN WE GOT THIS CLRNC SHORTLY THEREAFTER I LOADED THE COMPUTER AND TOLD THE CAPT IT'S IN THE BOX WITH A 10 NM BUFFER. (SO NOW WE HAVE TOLD THE ACFT TO CROSS THIS NEW FIX AT 45 NM N OF MANTA.) I FIGURED EVERYTHING WAS CORRECTLY SET. A SHORT WHILE LATER AS I WAS GETTING OUT OF MY SEAT TO USE THE LAVATORY I HEARD ATC ASK IF WE WERE GOING TO START DOWN SOON. THE CAPT LOOKED AT HIS 'PROGRESS PAGE' AND SAID 'YES,' IN 10 NM. THE CTLR SAID WE WERE ONLY 8 NM FROM OUR RESTR. WE DSNDED QUICKLY AND SMOOTHLY BUT I ESTIMATE WE CROSSED 10-15 HUNDRED FT HIGH. THE CTLR SAID 'NO PROB.' AFTER LNDG THIS 3 PLT CREW DISCUSSED OUR EXPERIENCE AT LENGTH. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WILL EVER KNOW WHETHER THIS WAS AN FMC GLITCH, OR AN INCORRECT ENTRY ON MY PART INTO THE FMC. COMPLACENCY? ONLY 1 PLT WATCHING THE STORE? LESSON LEARNED!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.