<< >> NASA ASRS Report 303142, April 1995

Pilot of cpr small transport was startled by the close proximity of an mlt in the traffic pattern while overflying an airport.

Attributes
ACN	303142
Time
Date	199504
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : pmd airport : edw
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : edw
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	VFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	other
Make Model Name	DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	other : other
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	other
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 50
ASRS Report	303142
Person 2
Affiliation	government : military
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : military
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 12000 vertical : 100
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Cruise en route to edwards via rosamond in contact with joshua approach for flight following. Joshua called traffic co-altitude at 7 O'clock, a KC10. They were at 9 O'clock nose-on, gear down in the palmdale landing pattern. I know I was at the palmdale pattern altitude, but hadn't really thought about it. Also thought that being in communication with joshua would make it ok to be closer to palmdale than 5 NM. Both I think serious mistakes. I didn't need to be at 4500 ft and could/should have voiced any concern about pmd's proximity to joshua. No evasive action was even close to necessary, but another 1-2 mi east and it could have been.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: PLT OF CPR SMT WAS STARTLED BY THE CLOSE PROX OF AN MLT IN THE TFC PATTERN WHILE OVERFLYING AN ARPT.

Narrative: CRUISE ENRTE TO EDWARDS VIA ROSAMOND IN CONTACT WITH JOSHUA APCH FOR FLT FOLLOWING. JOSHUA CALLED TFC CO-ALT AT 7 O'CLOCK, A KC10. THEY WERE AT 9 O'CLOCK NOSE-ON, GEAR DOWN IN THE PALMDALE LNDG PATTERN. I KNOW I WAS AT THE PALMDALE PATTERN ALT, BUT HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. ALSO THOUGHT THAT BEING IN COM WITH JOSHUA WOULD MAKE IT OK TO BE CLOSER TO PALMDALE THAN 5 NM. BOTH I THINK SERIOUS MISTAKES. I DIDN'T NEED TO BE AT 4500 FT AND COULD/SHOULD HAVE VOICED ANY CONCERN ABOUT PMD'S PROX TO JOSHUA. NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS EVEN CLOSE TO NECESSARY, BUT ANOTHER 1-2 MI E AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.