Taxiing traffic, lost on the ground at tucson.

Attributes
ACN	296890
Time
Date	199502
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : tus
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 8300 flight time type : 125
ASRS Report	296890
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : became reoriented other
Consequence	faa : assigned or threatened penalties
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Cleared to taxi to runway 11L. Route was northwest along parallel taxiway. First time to operate on this part of airport at night. Using airport diagram we taxied toward approach end of runway 11L. We held short of runway 3/21 as we realized we were disoriented. Ground made the following similar transmission, 'X you've passed. 2 txwys where are you going.' we were then given instruction to turn left on runway 21 and cleared for takeoff or runway 11L. Contributing factors: 1) crew disorientation on unfamiliar airport. 2) ground controller knowingly allowing us to taxi past our departure runway and toward an active runway without providing timely directions. A conversation after takeoff revealed a 'threat' by ground controller to file a pilot deviation for crossing an active runway without permission. The runway in question (runway 3/21) was never entered until permission was given by ground. Observations: this incident left me with the impression that at tucson, the attitude is, 'us against them.' I hope this is not the case. Everyone needs assistance from time to time by the controling agency in accomplishing safe flight operations.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: TAXIING TFC, LOST ON THE GND AT TUCSON.

Narrative: CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 11L. RTE WAS NW ALONG PARALLEL TXWY. FIRST TIME TO OPERATE ON THIS PART OF ARPT AT NIGHT. USING ARPT DIAGRAM WE TAXIED TOWARD APCH END OF RWY 11L. WE HELD SHORT OF RWY 3/21 AS WE REALIZED WE WERE DISORIENTED. GND MADE THE FOLLOWING SIMILAR XMISSION, 'X YOU'VE PASSED. 2 TXWYS WHERE ARE YOU GOING.' WE WERE THEN GIVEN INSTRUCTION TO TURN L ON RWY 21 AND CLRED FOR TKOF OR RWY 11L. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) CREW DISORIENTATION ON UNFAMILIAR ARPT. 2) GND CTLR KNOWINGLY ALLOWING US TO TAXI PAST OUR DEP RWY AND TOWARD AN ACTIVE RWY WITHOUT PROVIDING TIMELY DIRECTIONS. A CONVERSATION AFTER TKOF REVEALED A 'THREAT' BY GND CTLR TO FILE A PLT DEV FOR XING AN ACTIVE RWY WITHOUT PERMISSION. THE RWY IN QUESTION (RWY 3/21) WAS NEVER ENTERED UNTIL PERMISSION WAS GIVEN BY GND. OBSERVATIONS: THIS INCIDENT LEFT ME WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT AT TUCSON, THE ATTITUDE IS, 'US AGAINST THEM.' I HOPE THIS IS NOT THE CASE. EVERYONE NEEDS ASSISTANCE FROM TIME TO TIME BY THE CTLING AGENCY IN ACCOMPLISHING SAFE FLT OPS.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.