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An E135 crew, taxiing for takeoff at ewr, were confused as to where ramp control ended and ground control began.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 549112 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200205 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ewr.airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 135 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 549112 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : taxiway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Taxiing out of the ramp area in newark, we were cleared to taxi on the ramp frequency. The ramp near this area usually controls txwys a&B. We were about 100 yards from the area where ramp controls txwys a&B. We thought we were within that area. We called ground control as we approached taxiway a, but ground control did not call us back until the nose of the aircraft crossed a portion of taxiway a. Ground control called us and gave us a taxi clearance to the active runway 22L at taxiway west. The controller told us this happens frequently. There was not any other aircraft near us or on taxiway a when the occurrence happened. Lessons learned would be: better CRM with the first officer. Markings on the ramp should be more clear. The 10-7 page on the airport plate should be more clear as to who controls that area of the ramp and txwys.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN E135 CREW, TAXIING FOR TKOF AT EWR, WERE CONFUSED AS TO WHERE RAMP CTL ENDED AND GND CTL BEGAN.
Narrative: TAXIING OUT OF THE RAMP AREA IN NEWARK, WE WERE CLRED TO TAXI ON THE RAMP FREQ. THE RAMP NEAR THIS AREA USUALLY CTLS TXWYS A&B. WE WERE ABOUT 100 YARDS FROM THE AREA WHERE RAMP CTLS TXWYS A&B. WE THOUGHT WE WERE WITHIN THAT AREA. WE CALLED GND CTL AS WE APCHED TXWY A, BUT GND CTL DID NOT CALL US BACK UNTIL THE NOSE OF THE ACFT CROSSED A PORTION OF TXWY A. GND CTL CALLED US AND GAVE US A TAXI CLRNC TO THE ACTIVE RWY 22L AT TXWY W. THE CTLR TOLD US THIS HAPPENS FREQUENTLY. THERE WAS NOT ANY OTHER ACFT NEAR US OR ON TXWY A WHEN THE OCCURRENCE HAPPENED. LESSONS LEARNED WOULD BE: BETTER CRM WITH THE FO. MARKINGS ON THE RAMP SHOULD BE MORE CLR. THE 10-7 PAGE ON THE ARPT PLATE SHOULD BE MORE CLR AS TO WHO CTLS THAT AREA OF THE RAMP AND TXWYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.