Takeoff at below minimums without runway centerline lights.

Attributes
ACN	291332
Time
Date	199412
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sea
State Reference	WA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	291332
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : private pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 303 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	291418
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Airport
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

Departures were using runway 16L at seatac. On taking runway we noticed centerline lights were not on. We were cleared for takeoff. We asked tower to turn on runway lights. Tower then said roger and told aircraft behind us to position and hold and to confirm centerline lights were not on. Then tower informed RVR was 1400 ft. The RVR's had gone down due to fog and were now going up. The tower was reporting 1/2 NM visibility. Takeoff below 1600 RVR requires centerline lights. It appeared that tower thought the lights were on. IFR traffic was using the right runway for approachs. We began our takeoff roll after tower acknowledged our request, but before they actually came on. Next time I will remain in position until the lights are on. Supplemental information from acn 291418: I asked for tower to turn the centerline lights on and he said he would. We started our takeoff roll and the centerline lights never came on.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: TKOF AT BELOW MINIMUMS WITHOUT RWY CTRLINE LIGHTS.

Narrative: DEPS WERE USING RWY 16L AT SEATAC. ON TAKING RWY WE NOTICED CTRLINE LIGHTS WERE NOT ON. WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF. WE ASKED TWR TO TURN ON RWY LIGHTS. TWR THEN SAID ROGER AND TOLD ACFT BEHIND US TO POS AND HOLD AND TO CONFIRM CTRLINE LIGHTS WERE NOT ON. THEN TWR INFORMED RVR WAS 1400 FT. THE RVR'S HAD GONE DOWN DUE TO FOG AND WERE NOW GOING UP. THE TWR WAS RPTING 1/2 NM VISIBILITY. TKOF BELOW 1600 RVR REQUIRES CTRLINE LIGHTS. IT APPEARED THAT TWR THOUGHT THE LIGHTS WERE ON. IFR TFC WAS USING THE R RWY FOR APCHS. WE BEGAN OUR TKOF ROLL AFTER TWR ACKNOWLEDGED OUR REQUEST, BUT BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY CAME ON. NEXT TIME I WILL REMAIN IN POS UNTIL THE LIGHTS ARE ON. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 291418: I ASKED FOR TWR TO TURN THE CTRLINE LIGHTS ON AND HE SAID HE WOULD. WE STARTED OUR TKOF ROLL AND THE CTRLINE LIGHTS NEVER CAME ON.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.