FAA challenges aircraft manufacturer in non compliance with provisions of special airworthiness oper...

Attributes
ACN	291324
Time
Date	199412
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sea
State Reference	WA
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : iad
Operator	other
Make Model Name	B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	other : other
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other cruise other
Route In Use	enroute airway : zse
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 100
ASRS Report	291324
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 60
ASRS Report	291083
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : investigated
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Aircraft
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On dec/xx/94, I was PIC on B-777 operating under an experimental certificate. The test flown involved the passenger cabin environmental control system operating under full load. Boeing company personnel were assigned to this flight as test crewmembers to conduct these tests, the total number of persons on board was 196, all of whom were 'required for the purpose of the flight' in compliance with the limitations of the experimental certificate. The FAA has questioned that compliance. The correct number of trained personnel were assigned as flight attendants, and all doors were operational and equipped with slides, which had been tested previously. Although the flts occurred over a long work day, the flight crew remained within company established crew rest guidelines. Supplemental information from acn 291083: all people on board were required for the flight -- at times this is a 'grey' area.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: FAA CHALLENGES ACFT MANUFACTURER IN NON COMPLIANCE WITH PROVISIONS OF SPECIAL AIRWORTHINESS OPERATING LIMITATIONS.

Narrative: ON DEC/XX/94, I WAS PIC ON B-777 OPERATING UNDER AN EXPERIMENTAL CERTIFICATE. THE TEST FLOWN INVOLVED THE PAX CABIN ENVIRONMENTAL CTL SYS OPERATING UNDER FULL LOAD. BOEING COMPANY PERSONNEL WERE ASSIGNED TO THIS FLT AS TEST CREWMEMBERS TO CONDUCT THESE TESTS, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PERSONS ON BOARD WAS 196, ALL OF WHOM WERE 'REQUIRED FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE FLT' IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LIMITATIONS OF THE EXPERIMENTAL CERTIFICATE. THE FAA HAS QUESTIONED THAT COMPLIANCE. THE CORRECT NUMBER OF TRAINED PERSONNEL WERE ASSIGNED AS FLT ATTENDANTS, AND ALL DOORS WERE OPERATIONAL AND EQUIPPED WITH SLIDES, WHICH HAD BEEN TESTED PREVIOUSLY. ALTHOUGH THE FLTS OCCURRED OVER A LONG WORK DAY, THE FLC REMAINED WITHIN COMPANY ESTABLISHED CREW REST GUIDELINES. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 291083: ALL PEOPLE ON BOARD WERE REQUIRED FOR THE FLT -- AT TIMES THIS IS A 'GREY' AREA.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

FAA challenges aircraft manufacturer in non compliance with provisions of special airworthiness operating limitations.