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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 251563 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199309 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lvt |
| State Reference | TN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 24000 msl bound upper : 24000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zme |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller military : 4 controller non radar : 7 controller radar : 4 |
| ASRS Report | 251563 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 21000 vertical : 700 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I was working the radar controller position at rebel high sector during the nashville arrival phase. Air carrier X was vectored left of course for traffic in the descent and also for spacing. Then I descended air carrier X from FL280 to FL240. After coordinating with the co-altitude sector for a lower altitude for air carrier X, I descended him to FL190. This was to get air carrier X under traffic climbing out of nashville. Cpr Y was turned to go behind air carrier X and descend to FL240. After seeing that the initial vector wasn't going to be sufficient, cpr Y was turned further left. I called traffic to air carrier X at 2 O'clock, 6 mi, sebound at FL240 and instructed him to report leaving FL230. Lateral separation was lost before vertical separation was established. Later, going back through the flight progress strips, I noticed that air carrier X and cpr Y were both assigned 280 KTS IAS by the previous sector. Had I looked at the strips more carefully earlier, I wouldn't have expected a very good rate of descent from air carrier X and would have turned cpr Y more to begin with.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X HAD LTSS FROM ACR Y. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: I WAS WORKING THE RADAR CTLR POS AT REBEL HIGH SECTOR DURING THE NASHVILLE ARR PHASE. ACR X WAS VECTORED L OF COURSE FOR TFC IN THE DSCNT AND ALSO FOR SPACING. THEN I DSNDED ACR X FROM FL280 TO FL240. AFTER COORDINATING WITH THE CO-ALT SECTOR FOR A LOWER ALT FOR ACR X, I DSNDED HIM TO FL190. THIS WAS TO GET ACR X UNDER TFC CLBING OUT OF NASHVILLE. CPR Y WAS TURNED TO GO BEHIND ACR X AND DSND TO FL240. AFTER SEEING THAT THE INITIAL VECTOR WASN'T GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT, CPR Y WAS TURNED FURTHER L. I CALLED TFC TO ACR X AT 2 O'CLOCK, 6 MI, SEBOUND AT FL240 AND INSTRUCTED HIM TO RPT LEAVING FL230. LATERAL SEPARATION WAS LOST BEFORE VERT SEPARATION WAS ESTABLISHED. LATER, GOING BACK THROUGH THE FLT PROGRESS STRIPS, I NOTICED THAT ACR X AND CPR Y WERE BOTH ASSIGNED 280 KTS IAS BY THE PREVIOUS SECTOR. HAD I LOOKED AT THE STRIPS MORE CAREFULLY EARLIER, I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED A VERY GOOD RATE OF DSCNT FROM ACR X AND WOULD HAVE TURNED CPR Y MORE TO BEGIN WITH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.