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An air carrier medium large transport first officer reports that his captain flew a sloppy charted visual approach.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 246740 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199307 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 2500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : lga |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 1500 |
| ASRS Report | 246740 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approaching lga, we were assigned the expressway visual approach. The captain was not familiar with the approach or landmarks, as I found out later. The captain was flying and got off course quite a lot and would not accept my help in keeping on course. We probably exceeded off course limits and noise limits. My suggestion: don't let pilots accept visual approachs when they are not familiar with required landmarks.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG FO RPTS THAT HIS CAPT FLEW A SLOPPY CHARTED VISUAL APCH.
Narrative: APCHING LGA, WE WERE ASSIGNED THE EXPRESSWAY VISUAL APCH. THE CAPT WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE APCH OR LANDMARKS, AS I FOUND OUT LATER. THE CAPT WAS FLYING AND GOT OFF COURSE QUITE A LOT AND WOULD NOT ACCEPT MY HELP IN KEEPING ON COURSE. WE PROBABLY EXCEEDED OFF COURSE LIMITS AND NOISE LIMITS. MY SUGGESTION: DON'T LET PLTS ACCEPT VISUAL APCHS WHEN THEY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH REQUIRED LANDMARKS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.