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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 243680 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199306 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time total : 4400 flight time type : 1200 |
| ASRS Report | 243680 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | observation : air carrier inspector |
| Qualification | other other : other |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This situation did not occur in an aircraft. In fact, it did not involve aircraft operation at all. I am writing about this situation because I am surprised how naive I was in signing my training records. I was about to take an oral for a part 135 chkride with a designated examiner and an FAA inspector. When the designated examiner examined my training records, it was found that I did not have proper instructor sign-offs. This flagged the FAA inspector to look at my training records more closely. During a discussion, I had told the inspector that I did not physically discharge a fire extinguisher during training, however, I was instructed in the different types of fire, different classes of fire extinguishers, and the use of the fire extinguisher was demonstrated. The inspector said that I should have physically discharged an extinguisher. My problem was that I had signed my training form to indicate that I had successfully completed the fire extinguishing phase of the training. When I signed my training form, I was under the impression that we had received the proper training in fire extinguishing. In the discussion with the FAA inspector, it was mentioned that I should have not signed the training form because I was not properly trained. The inspector is now threatening to file violation proceedings against the chief pilot for falsification of documents and it is possible that I will be involved. To me, this situation is 1 more example of how a pilot's license is continually threatened with a violation. I had honestly signed a training form to indicate that I had received instruction and later found it was not the correct training. Is this falsification of documents in the eyes of the FAA? I do not know. Moral of the story -- know what you are signing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATX PLT FALSIFIED HIS TRAINING RECORD WHEN HE SIGNED THE TRAINING RECORD THAT ALL SPECIFIED TRAINING HAD BEEN RECEIVED EVEN THOUGH IT HAD NOT.
Narrative: THIS SIT DID NOT OCCUR IN AN ACFT. IN FACT, IT DID NOT INVOLVE ACFT OP AT ALL. I AM WRITING ABOUT THIS SIT BECAUSE I AM SURPRISED HOW NAIVE I WAS IN SIGNING MY TRAINING RECORDS. I WAS ABOUT TO TAKE AN ORAL FOR A PART 135 CHKRIDE WITH A DESIGNATED EXAMINER AND AN FAA INSPECTOR. WHEN THE DESIGNATED EXAMINER EXAMINED MY TRAINING RECORDS, IT WAS FOUND THAT I DID NOT HAVE PROPER INSTRUCTOR SIGN-OFFS. THIS FLAGGED THE FAA INSPECTOR TO LOOK AT MY TRAINING RECORDS MORE CLOSELY. DURING A DISCUSSION, I HAD TOLD THE INSPECTOR THAT I DID NOT PHYSICALLY DISCHARGE A FIRE EXTINGUISHER DURING TRAINING, HOWEVER, I WAS INSTRUCTED IN THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FIRE, DIFFERENT CLASSES OF FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, AND THE USE OF THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER WAS DEMONSTRATED. THE INSPECTOR SAID THAT I SHOULD HAVE PHYSICALLY DISCHARGED AN EXTINGUISHER. MY PROB WAS THAT I HAD SIGNED MY TRAINING FORM TO INDICATE THAT I HAD SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED THE FIRE EXTINGUISHING PHASE OF THE TRAINING. WHEN I SIGNED MY TRAINING FORM, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT WE HAD RECEIVED THE PROPER TRAINING IN FIRE EXTINGUISHING. IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THE FAA INSPECTOR, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT I SHOULD HAVE NOT SIGNED THE TRAINING FORM BECAUSE I WAS NOT PROPERLY TRAINED. THE INSPECTOR IS NOW THREATENING TO FILE VIOLATION PROCEEDINGS AGAINST THE CHIEF PLT FOR FALSIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS AND IT IS POSSIBLE THAT I WILL BE INVOLVED. TO ME, THIS SIT IS 1 MORE EXAMPLE OF HOW A PLT'S LICENSE IS CONTINUALLY THREATENED WITH A VIOLATION. I HAD HONESTLY SIGNED A TRAINING FORM TO INDICATE THAT I HAD RECEIVED INSTRUCTION AND LATER FOUND IT WAS NOT THE CORRECT TRAINING. IS THIS FALSIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS IN THE EYES OF THE FAA? I DO NOT KNOW. MORAL OF THE STORY -- KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SIGNING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.