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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : vwv|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 4500|
msl bound upper : 4500
|Controlling Facilities||artcc : zob|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear|
|Flight Phase||cruise other|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : commercial
pilot : cfi
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 54|
flight time total : 1650
flight time type : 20
|Affiliation||government : faa|
|Function||controller : radar|
|Qualification||controller : radar|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
non adherence : published procedure
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other other : unspecified cockpit|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : detected after the fact|
none taken : anomaly accepted
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
On flight from sandusky, oh to detroit, mi (yip), followed coast. Asked ZOB if R5502A and B were active. They said 'no, not active.' followed coastline to mi. Possible penetration into restr area. Question raised to a few local professional pilots who couldn't answer if restr airspace is not active, does it still exist? Does one still need permission to go through it, even if it has been verified by controling agency that it was not active? We aren't sure. If this could be addressed in ASRS newsletter, we'd appreciate it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PENETRATES RESTRICTED AREA WITHOUT CLRNC BECAUSE NOT ACTIVE.
Narrative: ON FLT FROM SANDUSKY, OH TO DETROIT, MI (YIP), FOLLOWED COAST. ASKED ZOB IF R5502A AND B WERE ACTIVE. THEY SAID 'NO, NOT ACTIVE.' FOLLOWED COASTLINE TO MI. POSSIBLE PENETRATION INTO RESTR AREA. QUESTION RAISED TO A FEW LCL PROFESSIONAL PLTS WHO COULDN'T ANSWER IF RESTR AIRSPACE IS NOT ACTIVE, DOES IT STILL EXIST? DOES ONE STILL NEED PERMISSION TO GO THROUGH IT, EVEN IF IT HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY CTLING AGENCY THAT IT WAS NOT ACTIVE? WE AREN'T SURE. IF THIS COULD BE ADDRESSED IN ASRS NEWSLETTER, WE'D APPRECIATE IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.