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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 185659 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199108 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : atl |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 2000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl tower : rsw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| ASRS Report | 185659 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 600 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was on ILS approach to runway 26R and was in trail of air carrier Y. Air carrier X closed to within 2 1/2 mi of air carrier Y and the local controller asked air carrier X if he had the traffic ahead in sight. Air carrier X said affirmative and was then told to maintain visual separation from the traffic. Air carrier X then said he had seen the traffic only 3 seconds before he reported it in sight and asked what the spacing was. The local controller told air carrier X 2 mi and 1000 ft. Air carrier X was then side-stepped to runway 26L and cleared to land on 26L. The side-step action was not required but it did insure air carrier X would be able to land. After landing the captain on air carrier X called and questioned the separation between his aircraft and air carrier Y. I believe that if the visibility had been better and air carrier X had seen the traffic sooner he would have been less concerned about the spacing. I also believe that the aircraft knew 2 mi was less than required and that was another reason he called the facility.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X HAD LTSS FROM ACR Y. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: ACR X WAS ON ILS APCH TO RWY 26R AND WAS IN TRAIL OF ACR Y. ACR X CLOSED TO WITHIN 2 1/2 MI OF ACR Y AND THE LCL CTLR ASKED ACR X IF HE HAD THE TFC AHEAD IN SIGHT. ACR X SAID AFFIRMATIVE AND WAS THEN TOLD TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION FROM THE TFC. ACR X THEN SAID HE HAD SEEN THE TFC ONLY 3 SECONDS BEFORE HE RPTED IT IN SIGHT AND ASKED WHAT THE SPACING WAS. THE LCL CTLR TOLD ACR X 2 MI AND 1000 FT. ACR X WAS THEN SIDE-STEPPED TO RWY 26L AND CLRED TO LAND ON 26L. THE SIDE-STEP ACTION WAS NOT REQUIRED BUT IT DID INSURE ACR X WOULD BE ABLE TO LAND. AFTER LNDG THE CAPT ON ACR X CALLED AND QUESTIONED THE SEPARATION BTWN HIS ACFT AND ACR Y. I BELIEVE THAT IF THE VISIBILITY HAD BEEN BETTER AND ACR X HAD SEEN THE TFC SOONER HE WOULD HAVE BEEN LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE SPACING. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE ACFT KNEW 2 MI WAS LESS THAN REQUIRED AND THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON HE CALLED THE FACILITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.