Air carrier pit expresses concern over flight crew work scheduling and whether he would fall under d...

Attributes
ACN	174455
Time
Date	199103
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	174455
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On 3/sun/91, I was the operating captain of flight originating in hnl with a stop in lax and a final destination of stl. The flight was operating under international scheduling rules. Based on my conversation with FAA inspector, mr. X of the FAA FSDO office, the air carrier interpretation is not correct and the flight requires a layover at lax to comply with the domestic 8 hours in 24 hours schedule rule. Prior to accepting this flight assignment, I was assured by air carrier manager of pilots that if I flew the trip as it is set up under 'protest,' that any FAA action re: a violation for over 8 hours in 24 hours would then fall to the company rather than myself. In my conversation with mr. X, he stated that this is not the case. In his view, acceptance of the flight by me violates the far. I am unable to find any FAA guidance on determination of domestic vs international flight rules.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR PIT EXPRESSES CONCERN OVER FLT CREW WORK SCHEDULING AND WHETHER HE WOULD FALL UNDER DOMESTIC OR INTERNATIONAL FLT RULES FOR FLT SCHEDULING. ACI AT FAA FSDO OFFICE CLAIMS THAT HE WOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR FLT AS ACCEPTED.

Narrative: ON 3/SUN/91, I WAS THE OPERATING CAPT OF FLT ORIGINATING IN HNL WITH A STOP IN LAX AND A FINAL DEST OF STL. THE FLT WAS OPERATING UNDER INTL SCHEDULING RULES. BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH FAA INSPECTOR, MR. X OF THE FAA FSDO OFFICE, THE ACR INTERP IS NOT CORRECT AND THE FLT REQUIRES A LAYOVER AT LAX TO COMPLY WITH THE DOMESTIC 8 HRS IN 24 HRS SCHEDULE RULE. PRIOR TO ACCEPTING THIS FLT ASSIGNMENT, I WAS ASSURED BY ACR MGR OF PLTS THAT IF I FLEW THE TRIP AS IT IS SET UP UNDER 'PROTEST,' THAT ANY FAA ACTION RE: A VIOLATION FOR OVER 8 HRS IN 24 HRS WOULD THEN FALL TO THE COMPANY RATHER THAN MYSELF. IN MY CONVERSATION WITH MR. X, HE STATED THAT THIS IS NOT THE CASE. IN HIS VIEW, ACCEPTANCE OF THE FLT BY ME VIOLATES THE FAR. I AM UNABLE TO FIND ANY FAA GUIDANCE ON DETERMINATION OF DOMESTIC VS INTL FLT RULES.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier pit expresses concern over flight crew work scheduling and whether he would fall under domestic or international flight rules for flight scheduling. Aci at FAA FSDO office claims that he would be illegal for flight as accepted.