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Light transport is cleared to land over a medium large transport that is holding in position of the runway. Close.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 163752 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199011 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : rno |
| State Reference | NV |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 50 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : dfw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 900 |
| ASRS Report | 163752 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 163753 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : far non adherence other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 40 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
At xa:02 cleared by tower controller into position and hold to expect takeoff release at xa:06. While we were on runway, we heard tower controller say to a light transport, 'radar contact 9 mi out clear to land.' that was all that was heard until the light transport landed over our aircraft at xa:07. We called the tower asked, 'did you know a plane just landed.' tower responded, 'yes I noticed that.' then tower controller cleared us for takeoff. When we landed in lax we contacted rno tower. Captain spoke with tower supervisor. He explained that the tower controller forgot us. He sent the tower controller home and notified washington of incident. It is understood that the normal procedure when in this situation is for the tower controller to either advise aircraft cleared to land to caution for wake turbulence by preceeding aircraft on runway, or for tower controller to advise aircraft in position to hold of the aircraft on final. None of this was said. No warning to either aircraft at any time. Also could have been avoided if the light transport would have seen that we at end of runway and advised tower and proceeded to go around, missed approach!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LTT IS CLEARED TO LAND OVER A MLG THAT IS HOLDING IN POSITION OF THE RWY. CLOSE.
Narrative: AT XA:02 CLRED BY TWR CTLR INTO POS AND HOLD TO EXPECT TKOF RELEASE AT XA:06. WHILE WE WERE ON RWY, WE HEARD TWR CTLR SAY TO A LTT, 'RADAR CONTACT 9 MI OUT CLR TO LAND.' THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS HEARD UNTIL THE LTT LANDED OVER OUR ACFT AT XA:07. WE CALLED THE TWR ASKED, 'DID YOU KNOW A PLANE JUST LANDED.' TWR RESPONDED, 'YES I NOTICED THAT.' THEN TWR CTLR CLRED US FOR TKOF. WHEN WE LANDED IN LAX WE CONTACTED RNO TWR. CAPT SPOKE WITH TWR SUPVR. HE EXPLAINED THAT THE TWR CTLR FORGOT US. HE SENT THE TWR CTLR HOME AND NOTIFIED WASHINGTON OF INCIDENT. IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THE NORMAL PROC WHEN IN THIS SITUATION IS FOR THE TWR CTLR TO EITHER ADVISE ACFT CLRED TO LAND TO CAUTION FOR WAKE TURB BY PRECEEDING ACFT ON RWY, OR FOR TWR CTLR TO ADVISE ACFT IN POS TO HOLD OF THE ACFT ON FINAL. NONE OF THIS WAS SAID. NO WARNING TO EITHER ACFT AT ANY TIME. ALSO COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF THE LTT WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT WE AT END OF RWY AND ADVISED TWR AND PROCEEDED TO GO AROUND, MISSED APCH!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.