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Large transport cleared to position and hold. Stops aircraft taxi as medium large transport passes on the runup area to the same runway.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 283411 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199409 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 283411 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While #1 at intersection 35 of runway 35L at dfw we first witnessed an aircraft being cleared for takeoff then the controller cleared another aircraft to cross that same runway. The aircraft cleared to cross was behind the aircraft taking off, but the aircraft taking off had no way of knowing that. A few mins later we were cleared in position and hold on runway 35L. We acknowledged position and hold, checked final, and started rolling onto the runway. My flight engineer yelled to stop. An S80 was passing us on the right side of the aircraft by using the runup area of runway 35L. We were never told this aircraft was passing us and we were cleared into position and hold long before this aircraft was past.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT CLRED TO POS AND HOLD. STOPS ACFT TAXI AS MLG PASSES ON THE RUNUP AREA TO THE SAME RWY.
Narrative: WHILE #1 AT INTXN 35 OF RWY 35L AT DFW WE FIRST WITNESSED AN ACFT BEING CLRED FOR TKOF THEN THE CTLR CLRED ANOTHER ACFT TO CROSS THAT SAME RWY. THE ACFT CLRED TO CROSS WAS BEHIND THE ACFT TAKING OFF, BUT THE ACFT TAKING OFF HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT. A FEW MINS LATER WE WERE CLRED IN POS AND HOLD ON RWY 35L. WE ACKNOWLEDGED POS AND HOLD, CHKED FINAL, AND STARTED ROLLING ONTO THE RWY. MY FE YELLED TO STOP. AN S80 WAS PASSING US ON THE R SIDE OF THE ACFT BY USING THE RUNUP AREA OF RWY 35L. WE WERE NEVER TOLD THIS ACFT WAS PASSING US AND WE WERE CLRED INTO POS AND HOLD LONG BEFORE THIS ACFT WAS PAST.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.