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Emb 505 flight crew reported ATC issued clearance for speeds higher then 200 knots while below the mia class bravo airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1605002 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201812 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | MIA.TRACON |
| State Reference | FL |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | EMB-505 / Phenom 300 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Cruise |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Captain |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural FAR Deviation - Speed All Types |
Narrative:
Traversing the mia class B airspace at 4;000 feet; we were at 250 kts. Prior to penetrating the southern shelf of the airspace; over miami executive airport (class B 7000 to 5000); we slowed to 200 knots. Mia app issued clearance to maintain 250 knots. I responded unable due to being below class B; can only do 200 knots. Controller said maintain 210 [knots] or greater. I replied with clearance but we maintained 200 knots. Soon thereafter; we were once again in [class] B and accelerated to 250 knots. We switched to another approach controller and entered the northern lower shelf of B; so we slowed to 200. The new controller also gave us a clearance to accelerate to 250 or we would be number 3 for the airport. I once again replied unable due to being below class B. He asked what speed I could do; to which I said 200 [knots]. He said maintain 200 [knots] or greater. I have heard of this occurring before; but why are controllers not familiar with their airspace and fars that govern them? Twice; by two separate controllers; we were issued a clearance that was a clear violation of fars. The southern shelf above miami executive airport is probably there for local traffic. There is a reason why we should be at 200 knots instead of 250.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB 505 flight crew reported ATC issued clearance for speeds higher then 200 knots while below the MIA Class Bravo airspace.
Narrative: Traversing the MIA Class B airspace at 4;000 feet; we were at 250 kts. Prior to penetrating the southern shelf of the airspace; over Miami Executive Airport (Class B 7000 to 5000); we slowed to 200 knots. MIA APP issued clearance to maintain 250 knots. I responded unable due to being below Class B; can only do 200 knots. Controller said maintain 210 [knots] or greater. I replied with clearance but we maintained 200 knots. Soon thereafter; we were once again in [Class] B and accelerated to 250 knots. We switched to another Approach Controller and entered the northern lower shelf of B; so we slowed to 200. The new controller also gave us a clearance to accelerate to 250 or we would be number 3 for the airport. I once again replied unable due to being below Class B. He asked what speed I could do; to which I said 200 [knots]. He said maintain 200 [knots] or greater. I have heard of this occurring before; but why are controllers not familiar with their airspace and FARs that govern them? Twice; by two separate controllers; we were issued a clearance that was a clear violation of FARs. The southern shelf above Miami Executive Airport is probably there for local traffic. There is a reason why we should be at 200 knots instead of 250.
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