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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 155450 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199008 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : cmi |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : cmi |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : ground |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| ASRS Report | 155450 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : local |
| Qualification | controller : non radar |
| ASRS Report | 155496 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
Runway 4L was in use. Small transport X was holding short of the 4L to taxi to runway 14R. Asked local control if I could cross and looked and saw no traffic on runway 4. He said go. I told the small transport X to cross. Small transport X said he would wait for the traffic landing. Local controller later said he didn't say 'go,' he said 'no.' supplemental information from acn 155496: runway 4L was active. Unbeknown to ground control, I had traffic landing runway 22R. Ground asked to cross runway 4L. I urgently replied 'no!' ground told his traffic to cross runway 4L. Many thanks to the alert small transport X pilot who saw the landing traffic and didn't cross.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION BETWEEN SMT X AND SMA Y.
Narrative: RWY 4L WAS IN USE. SMT X WAS HOLDING SHORT OF THE 4L TO TAXI TO RWY 14R. ASKED LCL CTL IF I COULD CROSS AND LOOKED AND SAW NO TFC ON RWY 4. HE SAID GO. I TOLD THE SMT X TO CROSS. SMT X SAID HE WOULD WAIT FOR THE TFC LNDG. LCL CTLR LATER SAID HE DIDN'T SAY 'GO,' HE SAID 'NO.' SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 155496: RWY 4L WAS ACTIVE. UNBEKNOWN TO GND CTL, I HAD TFC LNDG RWY 22R. GND ASKED TO CROSS RWY 4L. I URGENTLY REPLIED 'NO!' GND TOLD HIS TFC TO CROSS RWY 4L. MANY THANKS TO THE ALERT SMT X PLT WHO SAW THE LNDG TFC AND DIDN'T CROSS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.