While vectored forr intercept to 9R at mia, air carrier large transport flight crew overshoots into ...

Attributes
ACN	148280
Time
Date	199006
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : mia
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : mia
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1000
ASRS Report	148280
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 3500
ASRS Report	147997
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

On turn to final to 9R, we overshot 9R localizer into 9L airspace, speed 200 KTS, standard rate turn, descending to 1500'. As we turned controller said, 'don't go into 9L airspace;' however, he gave us no further instructions. We answered each time we were giving him all the turn we had (maximum 30 degrees). As we rolled out on course, he broke off the approach, to the right, and returned us for another (uneventful) approach. The problem would not have occurred had we been slower and/or further out on downwind. Supplemental information from acn 147997: last ATC instructions were 280 degrees heading off of bsy VORTAC which brought us in too tight on the downwind to 9R. Airspeed was 230 KIAS beginning base turn to the intercept heading of 060 degrees. I noticed high airspeed and asked if the captain could see the runway. He said, 'no.' I said, 'you need maximum bank to make the localizer.' it was too late; we overshot badly. Phone call to TRACON revealed no traffic conflict.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: WHILE VECTORED FORR INTERCEPT TO 9R AT MIA, ACR LGT FLT CREW OVERSHOOTS INTO 9L APCH PATH.

Narrative: ON TURN TO FINAL TO 9R, WE OVERSHOT 9R LOC INTO 9L AIRSPACE, SPD 200 KTS, STANDARD RATE TURN, DSNDING TO 1500'. AS WE TURNED CTLR SAID, 'DON'T GO INTO 9L AIRSPACE;' HOWEVER, HE GAVE US NO FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS. WE ANSWERED EACH TIME WE WERE GIVING HIM ALL THE TURN WE HAD (MAX 30 DEGS). AS WE ROLLED OUT ON COURSE, HE BROKE OFF THE APCH, TO THE RIGHT, AND RETURNED US FOR ANOTHER (UNEVENTFUL) APCH. THE PROB WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED HAD WE BEEN SLOWER AND/OR FURTHER OUT ON DOWNWIND. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 147997: LAST ATC INSTRUCTIONS WERE 280 DEGS HDG OFF OF BSY VORTAC WHICH BROUGHT US IN TOO TIGHT ON THE DOWNWIND TO 9R. AIRSPD WAS 230 KIAS BEGINNING BASE TURN TO THE INTERCEPT HDG OF 060 DEGS. I NOTICED HIGH AIRSPD AND ASKED IF THE CAPT COULD SEE THE RWY. HE SAID, 'NO.' I SAID, 'YOU NEED MAX BANK TO MAKE THE LOC.' IT WAS TOO LATE; WE OVERSHOT BADLY. PHONE CALL TO TRACON REVEALED NO TFC CONFLICT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

While vectored forr intercept to 9R at mia, air carrier large transport flight crew overshoots into 9L approach path.