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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 141972 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199004 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : mbs airport : dtw airport : lan |
| State Reference | MI |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute airway : dtw |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 4000 |
| ASRS Report | 141972 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
My routing from lan to dtw was lan V84 dxo 342 degree right polar dtw. This is a new routing from the detroit airspace restructuring last november. The problem is polar intersection is not charted off the dxo VOR. It is shown off mbs with DME and a cross bearing off lan on V133 off svm. Although I realize this routing goes over polar you would have to use at least one VOR/DME to define polar beside the one you're using to navigate. If you didn't have DME you would have to use 2 vors to define polar and abandon your navigation off dxo. This is a poor setup at best and I question the legality of the clearance.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATC ISSUES A CONVOLUTED ROUTING TO GET TRAFFIC FROM LAN TO POLAR INTERSECTION.
Narrative: MY ROUTING FROM LAN TO DTW WAS LAN V84 DXO 342 DEG R POLAR DTW. THIS IS A NEW ROUTING FROM THE DETROIT AIRSPACE RESTRUCTURING LAST NOVEMBER. THE PROBLEM IS POLAR INTXN IS NOT CHARTED OFF THE DXO VOR. IT IS SHOWN OFF MBS WITH DME AND A CROSS BEARING OFF LAN ON V133 OFF SVM. ALTHOUGH I REALIZE THIS ROUTING GOES OVER POLAR YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE AT LEAST ONE VOR/DME TO DEFINE POLAR BESIDE THE ONE YOU'RE USING TO NAVIGATE. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE DME YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE 2 VORS TO DEFINE POLAR AND ABANDON YOUR NAVIGATION OFF DXO. THIS IS A POOR SETUP AT BEST AND I QUESTION THE LEGALITY OF THE CLRNC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.