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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 134557 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199001 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : atl |
| State Reference | GA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : holding ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 800 |
| ASRS Report | 134557 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After waiting in line at atl for 2:25 mins for a line of thunderstorms to pass our flight, was cleared 'into position and hold runway 8R, wind 270/10.' as the captain taxied onto the runway, I stated 'that's a 10 KT tailwind--that's our limit, right?' he replied 'that's correct.' about 2 mins later we were 'cleared for takeoff runway 8R, wind 270/12.' I was flying, so I looked at the captain and said '12 KTS?' he stated 'let's go.' I advised him I would not rotate until vr + 12 and initiated the takeoff. The takeoff proceeded normally with no problems; however, I was furious with myself that I didn't insist on delaying the flight further by using runway 26. I was also furious that my captain chose to put me in a situation where I needed to take a stand. He knew our tailwind limit was 10 KTS and I advised him twice that 10 KTS was limiting. Next time I will take a stand and insist we change runways.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLT CREW DEPARTED WITH TAILWIND IN EXCESS OF THEIR LIMIT.
Narrative: AFTER WAITING IN LINE AT ATL FOR 2:25 MINS FOR A LINE OF TSTMS TO PASS OUR FLT, WAS CLRED 'INTO POS AND HOLD RWY 8R, WIND 270/10.' AS THE CAPT TAXIED ONTO THE RWY, I STATED 'THAT'S A 10 KT TAILWIND--THAT'S OUR LIMIT, RIGHT?' HE REPLIED 'THAT'S CORRECT.' ABOUT 2 MINS LATER WE WERE 'CLRED FOR TKOF RWY 8R, WIND 270/12.' I WAS FLYING, SO I LOOKED AT THE CAPT AND SAID '12 KTS?' HE STATED 'LET'S GO.' I ADVISED HIM I WOULD NOT ROTATE UNTIL VR + 12 AND INITIATED THE TKOF. THE TKOF PROCEEDED NORMALLY WITH NO PROBS; HOWEVER, I WAS FURIOUS WITH MYSELF THAT I DIDN'T INSIST ON DELAYING THE FLT FURTHER BY USING RWY 26. I WAS ALSO FURIOUS THAT MY CAPT CHOSE TO PUT ME IN A SITUATION WHERE I NEEDED TO TAKE A STAND. HE KNEW OUR TAILWIND LIMIT WAS 10 KTS AND I ADVISED HIM TWICE THAT 10 KTS WAS LIMITING. NEXT TIME I WILL TAKE A STAND AND INSIST WE CHANGE RWYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.