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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 132249 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198912 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : msp |
| State Reference | MN |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp artcc : zdc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller military : 4 controller radar : 10 |
| ASRS Report | 132249 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 1200 vertical : 900 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Working departure radar. Only had 2 airplanes. The first one, am medium large transport, turned to a southwest heading. The second, an medium large transport. The air carrier X was 1500 above the air carrier Y and out-climbing air carrier Y. I turned the air carrier Y to a ssw heading and turned for a minute to join a conversation. When I turned back to the scope, the air carrier Y was turning inside air carrier X and catching him in altitude. I leveled off the air carrier Y and issued traffic. What happened? I thought the air carrier X, medium large transport, would way out-perform the air carrier Y, medium large transport. It didn't happen that way. Lesson: pay more attention when slow. Don't assume anything.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR Y HAD LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION FROM ACR X. SYSTEM ERROR.
Narrative: WORKING DEP RADAR. ONLY HAD 2 AIRPLANES. THE FIRST ONE, AM MLG, TURNED TO A SW HDG. THE SECOND, AN MLG. THE ACR X WAS 1500 ABOVE THE ACR Y AND OUT-CLIMBING ACR Y. I TURNED THE ACR Y TO A SSW HDG AND TURNED FOR A MINUTE TO JOIN A CONVERSATION. WHEN I TURNED BACK TO THE SCOPE, THE ACR Y WAS TURNING INSIDE ACR X AND CATCHING HIM IN ALT. I LEVELED OFF THE ACR Y AND ISSUED TFC. WHAT HAPPENED? I THOUGHT THE ACR X, MLG, WOULD WAY OUT-PERFORM THE ACR Y, MLG. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY. LESSON: PAY MORE ATTN WHEN SLOW. DON'T ASSUME ANYTHING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.