<< >> NASA ASRS Report 127755, November 1989

Medium large transport flight crew cleared hold short of taxiway F. Reporter properly held short of active runway 22.

Attributes
ACN	127755
Time
Date	198911
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : jfk
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	127755
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Landed 22L, cleared at hi-speed J. Instructed to taxi via Z and hold short of F. As I approached runway 22R, I asked local if he wanted us to hold short of 22R. His response was to hold short of foxtrot. I held short of 22R knowing that it was active. The purpose of this report is to point out that taxiway F is hard to see on that (southeast) side of 22R, and I should have been explicitly told to hold short of 22R. After one takeoff on 22R, I was told to cross 22R and proceed on F, call ground 121.9. WX was nasty (fog and rain) and taxi instructions were, in my opinion, spurious. Reference jfk airport diagram P 20-9 foxtrot intersection with zulu. My point is the possibility of taxiing onto runway 22R inadvertently.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MLG FLT CREW CLEARED HOLD SHORT OF TXWY F. REPORTER PROPERLY HELD SHORT OF ACTIVE RWY 22.

Narrative: LANDED 22L, CLRED AT HI-SPEED J. INSTRUCTED TO TAXI VIA Z AND HOLD SHORT OF F. AS I APCHED RWY 22R, I ASKED LOCAL IF HE WANTED US TO HOLD SHORT OF 22R. HIS RESPONSE WAS TO HOLD SHORT OF FOXTROT. I HELD SHORT OF 22R KNOWING THAT IT WAS ACTIVE. THE PURPOSE OF THIS REPORT IS TO POINT OUT THAT TXWY F IS HARD TO SEE ON THAT (SE) SIDE OF 22R, AND I SHOULD HAVE BEEN EXPLICITLY TOLD TO HOLD SHORT OF 22R. AFTER ONE TKOF ON 22R, I WAS TOLD TO CROSS 22R AND PROCEED ON F, CALL GND 121.9. WX WAS NASTY (FOG AND RAIN) AND TAXI INSTRUCTIONS WERE, IN MY OPINION, SPURIOUS. REFERENCE JFK ARPT DIAGRAM P 20-9 FOXTROT INTXN WITH ZULU. MY POINT IS THE POSSIBILITY OF TAXIING ONTO RWY 22R INADVERTENTLY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.