<< >> NASA ASRS Report 119963, August 1989

Medium large transport flight crew received clearance for right turn after takeoff with vectors to VOR. Controller expected them to fly SID.

Attributes
ACN	119963
Time
Date	198908
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : ont
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : ont
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	climbout : initial
Route In Use	departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 1250
ASRS Report	119963
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Our departure controller was expecting us to be flying a departure procedure other than the one issued. We were filed the prado 2 departure, using runway 8R. But clearance delivery issued 'after takeoff, right turn heading 110 degree, radar vectors daggett (dag), direct needles (eed), J-6 drake (drk), as filed. We had established the 110 degree heading on first contact with departure control (119.65), who asked us to verify we were on the prado 2 departure procedure, which would have had us on about a 175 degree course direct to the paradise (pdz) VOR. The controller adjusted to our response quickly, and it didn't appear to cause a problem, but the system's 'failure to communicate' could have presented a hazard to safe flight.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MLG FLT CREW RECEIVED CLRNC FOR RIGHT TURN AFTER TKOF WITH VECTORS TO VOR. CTLR EXPECTED THEM TO FLY SID.

Narrative: OUR DEP CTLR WAS EXPECTING US TO BE FLYING A DEP PROC OTHER THAN THE ONE ISSUED. WE WERE FILED THE PRADO 2 DEP, USING RWY 8R. BUT CLRNC DELIVERY ISSUED 'AFTER TKOF, RIGHT TURN HDG 110 DEG, RADAR VECTORS DAGGETT (DAG), DIRECT NEEDLES (EED), J-6 DRAKE (DRK), AS FILED. WE HAD ESTABLISHED THE 110 DEG HDG ON FIRST CONTACT WITH DEP CTL (119.65), WHO ASKED US TO VERIFY WE WERE ON THE PRADO 2 DEP PROC, WHICH WOULD HAVE HAD US ON ABOUT A 175 DEG COURSE DIRECT TO THE PARADISE (PDZ) VOR. THE CTLR ADJUSTED TO OUR RESPONSE QUICKLY, AND IT DIDN'T APPEAR TO CAUSE A PROBLEM, BUT THE SYSTEM'S 'FAILURE TO COMMUNICATE' COULD HAVE PRESENTED A HAZARD TO SAFE FLT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.