<< >> NASA ASRS Report 119128, August 1989

ZOA controller gave flight crew of medium large transport erroneous clearance into mry. Flight crew stated unable to accept. Controller then cleared the flight for approach. Radar service terminated.

Attributes
ACN	119128
Time
Date	198908
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : mry
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1700 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zoa
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 16600 flight time type : 2700
ASRS Report	119128
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Oak center cleared us for ILS first officer cross the outer marker (munso) at 5000 inbound. As the PNF I informed him that was too high a crossing restriction. We were then told that because mry tower was closed that 5000 was as low as center could approve. Again I told center this was unacceptable. He then cleared us for the approach and terminated radar service. We then were able to descend and fly the approach as published.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ZOA CTLR GAVE FLT CREW OF MLG ERRONEOUS CLRNC INTO MRY. FLT CREW STATED UNABLE TO ACCEPT. CTLR THEN CLEARED THE FLT FOR APCH. RADAR SERVICE TERMINATED.

Narrative: OAK CENTER CLRED US FOR ILS FO CROSS THE OUTER MARKER (MUNSO) AT 5000 INBND. AS THE PNF I INFORMED HIM THAT WAS TOO HIGH A XING RESTRICTION. WE WERE THEN TOLD THAT BECAUSE MRY TWR WAS CLOSED THAT 5000 WAS AS LOW AS CENTER COULD APPROVE. AGAIN I TOLD CENTER THIS WAS UNACCEPTABLE. HE THEN CLRED US FOR THE APCH AND TERMINATED RADAR SERVICE. WE THEN WERE ABLE TO DSND AND FLY THE APCH AS PUBLISHED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.