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Flight crew of large transport cleared to and maintaining 7000' on approach to jfk was advised by approach controller they had been cleared only to 8000'.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 119991 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198908 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : jfk |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : bvy |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 10500 flight time type : 130 |
| ASRS Report | 119991 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 10600 |
| ASRS Report | 119996 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
While on vectors for descent into jfk (VFR conditions), we were given clearance from 13,000 to 7000. I read back clearance to 7000'. After being at 7000 for approximately 305 mins, approach said you were cleared to 8000 not 7000, however you are now cleared at 7000. We responded that we read back 7000. When given the original clearance, the crew all understood we were given 7000, and that is what I, non flying pilot, read back. Controller should have paid more attention to readback, if this was not altitude he wanted.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF LGT CLEARED TO AND MAINTAINING 7000' ON APCH TO JFK WAS ADVISED BY APCH CTLR THEY HAD BEEN CLEARED ONLY TO 8000'.
Narrative: WHILE ON VECTORS FOR DSCNT INTO JFK (VFR CONDITIONS), WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC FROM 13,000 TO 7000. I READ BACK CLRNC TO 7000'. AFTER BEING AT 7000 FOR APPROX 305 MINS, APCH SAID YOU WERE CLRED TO 8000 NOT 7000, HOWEVER YOU ARE NOW CLRED AT 7000. WE RESPONDED THAT WE READ BACK 7000. WHEN GIVEN THE ORIGINAL CLRNC, THE CREW ALL UNDERSTOOD WE WERE GIVEN 7000, AND THAT IS WHAT I, NON FLYING PLT, READ BACK. CTLR SHOULD HAVE PAID MORE ATTN TO READBACK, IF THIS WAS NOT ALT HE WANTED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.