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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1055674 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201212 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ABI.Airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Bonanza 35 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Pilot Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Private |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 40 Flight Crew Total 663 Flight Crew Type 390 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Track / Heading All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Weather / Turbulence |
Narrative:
I fly about 130 hours per year; and have had 4.7 hours of IFR year-to-date. However; being single pilot; I use the autopilot in those situations. We don't have much IMC in this part of texas (abilene). I hired a cfii to accompany me for some practice hand flying in 900 overcast IMC. I've never been out of currency; but take an occasional ipc [instrument proficiency check]. Three months prior [to this event]; I passed an ipc with no problem using foggles.I would not have passed an ipc in actual IMC. Not this time; at any rate. I am filing this because [allowable] IFR deviations were broken while I was hand flying. I asked my cfii if I needed to file one; and he said I did not because we were being vectored and on radar the entire time. Nevertheless; I'm filing one.we did have 60 KT plus crosswinds at the VOR while flying the first approach; the VOR-a; so I'm sure they chalked some of the erratic flying up to that. However; I flew that portion pretty well. It was the initial turning climb that was so poorly executed. I then flew the RNAV-17L lpv approach and did that pretty well - the lpv guidance made a big difference. Maybe I was settling down by then.I am amazed at the difference between actual IMC versus foggles. There really is no comparison. I received my instrument rating with next to no actual IMC. While it would make completing the requirements for an instrument rating difficult in some areas; I really don't think you should be able to qualify for one without a bit of IMC. There is no substitute.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BE35 pilot with minimal actual IFR experience was surprised when a refresher flight with a CFII in actual conditions proved more demanding than his previous Instrument Proficiency Checks utilizing 'foggles' to merely simulate IMC.
Narrative: I fly about 130 hours per year; and have had 4.7 hours of IFR year-to-date. However; being single pilot; I use the autopilot in those situations. We don't have much IMC in this part of Texas (Abilene). I hired a CFII to accompany me for some practice hand flying in 900 overcast IMC. I've never been out of currency; but take an occasional IPC [Instrument Proficiency Check]. Three months prior [to this event]; I passed an IPC with NO problem using foggles.I would not have passed an IPC in actual IMC. Not this time; at any rate. I am filing this because [allowable] IFR deviations were broken while I was hand flying. I asked my CFII if I needed to file one; and he said I did not because we were being vectored and on radar the entire time. Nevertheless; I'm filing one.We did have 60 KT plus crosswinds at the VOR while flying the first approach; the VOR-A; so I'm sure they chalked some of the erratic flying up to that. However; I flew that portion pretty well. It was the initial turning climb that was so poorly executed. I then flew the RNAV-17L LPV approach and did that pretty well - the LPV guidance made a big difference. Maybe I was settling down by then.I am amazed at the difference between actual IMC versus foggles. There really is no comparison. I received my Instrument Rating with next to no actual IMC. While it would make completing the requirements for an Instrument Rating difficult in some areas; I really don't think you should be able to qualify for one without a bit of IMC. There is no substitute.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.