Less than standard separation while on radar vectors from VFR traffic.

Attributes
ACN	94708
Time
Date	198809
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lgb
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 6000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : sna tracon : pvd
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear
Flight Phase	cruise other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 150
ASRS Report	94708
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 14500 flight time type : 4000
ASRS Report	94833
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne less severe
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Miss Distance	horizontal : 1000 vertical : 500
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Ambiguous
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified

Narrative:

During departure from lgb the controller gave us several targets to avoid. We had to take evasive action for three of them within a time period of about 2 minutes. It was quite a saturated situation, more than I've seen before. The departure procedure from lgb puts you out of the TCA for lax over the water south of lgb. I suggest a larger TCA or a turn and climb into the TCA. If the visibility had been less there's a good chance I wouldn't be writing this now. Supplemental information from acn 94833. The coastline we had penetrated was and is a natural place for aircraft to fly, ie, just off a beautiful coastline, clear of the TCA etc. Even knowing this as we all do ahead of time does not lessen the seriousness of oversaturated airspace and a transport category aircraft being routed into airspace known to be a most popular route for non transport category aircraft.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION WHILE ON RADAR VECTORS FROM VFR TRAFFIC.

Narrative: DURING DEP FROM LGB THE CTLR GAVE US SEVERAL TARGETS TO AVOID. WE HAD TO TAKE EVASIVE ACTION FOR THREE OF THEM WITHIN A TIME PERIOD OF ABOUT 2 MINUTES. IT WAS QUITE A SATURATED SITUATION, MORE THAN I'VE SEEN BEFORE. THE DEP PROC FROM LGB PUTS YOU OUT OF THE TCA FOR LAX OVER THE WATER S OF LGB. I SUGGEST A LARGER TCA OR A TURN AND CLIMB INTO THE TCA. IF THE VISIBILITY HAD BEEN LESS THERE'S A GOOD CHANCE I WOULDN'T BE WRITING THIS NOW. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 94833. THE COASTLINE WE HAD PENETRATED WAS AND IS A NATURAL PLACE FOR ACFT TO FLY, IE, JUST OFF A BEAUTIFUL COASTLINE, CLR OF THE TCA ETC. EVEN KNOWING THIS AS WE ALL DO AHEAD OF TIME DOES NOT LESSEN THE SERIOUSNESS OF OVERSATURATED AIRSPACE AND A TRANSPORT CATEGORY ACFT BEING ROUTED INTO AIRSPACE KNOWN TO BE A MOST POPULAR ROUTE FOR NON TRANSPORT CATEGORY ACFT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.