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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 934145 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201102 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZZZ.TRACON |
| State Reference | US |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B747-400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | A320 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Climb |
| Route In Use | Vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Departure |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
I was providing otj to a controller in training. Traffic was light; but we were in the middle of a runway change. Aircraft X departs runway xxl on departure SID; a left turn toward VOR to intercept an outbound radial to the south. Aircraft X was turned to a 090 heading and climbed to 7;000. Aircraft Y departs next; on the same SID; but since the A320 rotates before the B744; he turns inside the track of the B744. Aircraft Y is also turned east; 100 or 110 heading I think. I have not listened to the tape yet. Again; the A320 performs differently and turns pretty quick; therefore cutting off more of the track of the B744. This; I believe; is not realized by the trainee. I place a j ring on the B744 and we are very close. I take the frequency; call the traffic and ask aircraft Y if he has it in sight. Aircraft Y acknowledges that he does and I instruct him to maintain visual separation; caution wake turbulence.the question now is if I was able to apply the visual separation before I lost separation. It may have been lost before aircraft Y was turned. But since we turned the aircraft X off the SID; I would have to assume that we buy it; not the tower. The loss was a remnant violation. 4.99 miles when 5.0 was needed; and I think the A320 was never less than 1;000 below the B744. That is what I don't understand about the whole remnant issue.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Tracon Controller reported that when an Airbus followed a B744 on the same SID; aircraft performance characteristics led to a compromise in separation. The result was a 'wake remnant' violation.
Narrative: I was providing OTJ to a Controller in training. Traffic was light; but we were in the middle of a runway change. Aircraft X departs Runway XXL on departure SID; a left turn toward VOR to intercept an outbound radial to the south. Aircraft X was turned to a 090 heading and climbed to 7;000. Aircraft Y departs next; on the same SID; but since the A320 rotates before the B744; he turns inside the track of the B744. Aircraft Y is also turned east; 100 or 110 heading I think. I have not listened to the tape yet. Again; the A320 performs differently and turns pretty quick; therefore cutting off more of the track of the B744. This; I believe; is not realized by the trainee. I place a j ring on the B744 and we are very close. I take the frequency; call the traffic and ask Aircraft Y if he has it in sight. Aircraft Y acknowledges that he does and I instruct him to maintain visual separation; caution wake turbulence.The question now is if I was able to apply the visual separation before I lost separation. It may have been lost before Aircraft Y was turned. But since we turned the Aircraft X off the SID; I would have to assume that we buy it; not the tower. The loss was a remnant violation. 4.99 miles when 5.0 was needed; and I think the A320 was never less than 1;000 below the B744. That is what I don't understand about the whole remnant issue.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.