Sct controller described a near loss of separation event when a military flight entered sct's airspa...

Attributes
ACN	929399
Time
Date	201101
Local Time Of Day	0001-0600
Place
Locale Reference	SCT.TRACON
State Reference	CA
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Hornet (F-18)
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Cruise
Route In Use	Vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Freedom Fighter/Tiger II (F5)
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Descent
Person 1
Function	Handoff / Assist Departure Approach
Qualification	Air Traffic Control Fully Certified
Events
Anomaly	ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy

Narrative:

I was vectoring an F18 toward nkx for an approach when I noticed 2 F5s descending out of FL300 from the south; on a C tag. The F5s continued descending toward nkx and turned west; toward the F18. After taking care of other traffic I noticed the 2 F5s descending toward my airspace and right at the F18. I called traffic and got the F18 to see the flight of 2 F5s just before loss of separation. The 2 F5s descended to 16;000; the F18's altitude and passed about 1.5 to 2.5 miles away. I received a call at that point with a hand off for the 2f5s from la center. Recommendation; better communications between facsfac; la center; and sct. Facsfac probably should have pointed the flight out to center; and handed it off to me.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SCT Controller described a near loss of separation event when a military flight entered SCT's airspace without required coordination; the reporter listing coordination failures between FACSFAC; ZLA and SCT as a probable cause.

Narrative: I was vectoring an F18 toward NKX for an approach when I noticed 2 F5s descending out of FL300 from the south; on a C tag. The F5s continued descending toward NKX and turned west; toward the F18. After taking care of other traffic I noticed the 2 F5s descending toward my airspace and right at the F18. I called traffic and got the F18 to see the flight of 2 F5s just before loss of separation. The 2 F5s descended to 16;000; the F18's altitude and passed about 1.5 to 2.5 miles away. I received a call at that point with a hand off for the 2F5s from LA Center. Recommendation; better communications between FACSFAC; LA Center; and SCT. FACSFAC probably should have pointed the flight out to center; and handed it off to me.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Sct controller described a near loss of separation event when a military flight entered sct's airspace without required coordination; the reporter listing coordination failures between facsfac; ZLA and sct as a probable cause.