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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 904642 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201008 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | MIV.Airport |
| State Reference | NJ |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Sundowner 23 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Instructor Pilot Not Flying |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 35 Flight Crew Total 750 Flight Crew Type 200 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
| Miss Distance | Horizontal 2000 Vertical 100 |
Narrative:
If someone does not review miv communication; phraseology; procedures used; scope; duties; etc. There will be aircraft collision in vicinity or at this airport. Simply put; FSS radio operators are entirely to verbose often communicating outdated; non-relevant; and inaccurate information to pilots. This behavior results in the frequency 'jammed' by FSS and prevents pilots from performing self self-announce duties adequately. I believe radio communications procedures as listed in the aim section 4-1-9 are not being followed. On two recent but separate flights; I had near misses with traffic in the vicinity. I believe these two occasions would be much less of an issue if the same situation presented at an airport without FSS; just CTAF. Although my experience is relatively limited at other non-towered airports with a operating FSS; I did not find those radio procedure as intrusive to my self-announce duties.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: The pilot of a general aviation aircraft voiced concern regarding the communications used by MIV FSS personnel indicating FSS operators are too verbose communicating outdated/inaccurate information; preventing pilots from self announcing duties.
Narrative: If someone does not review MIV communication; phraseology; procedures used; scope; duties; etc. there will be aircraft collision in vicinity or at this airport. Simply put; FSS radio operators are entirely to verbose often communicating outdated; non-relevant; and inaccurate information to pilots. This behavior results in the frequency 'jammed' by FSS and prevents pilots from performing self self-announce duties adequately. I believe radio communications procedures as listed in the AIM Section 4-1-9 are not being followed. On two recent but separate flights; I had near misses with traffic in the vicinity. I believe these two occasions would be much less of an issue if the same situation presented at an airport without FSS; just CTAF. Although my experience is relatively limited at other non-towered airports with a operating FSS; I did not find those radio procedure as intrusive to my self-announce duties.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.