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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 877865 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201003 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZFW.ARTCC |
| State Reference | TX |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Citation X (C750) |
| Flight Phase | Descent |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Handoff / Assist |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | Enroute |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
We were coming out of holding due to cross winds. High switched aircraft Y to us landing dal; the right side descended him to FL230 because of a dfw lander at FL220. High 237 switched air carrier X to us at FL240 with control for lower; r-side descended him to FL190 not noticing the 200 knot over take. When the r-side noticed it and tried to fix it he turned aircraft Y 30 left and tried to stop air carrier X at FL240. Air carrier X said he would have to go back up and got as low as fl 237 before starting back up. I don't know if air carrier X was assigned a speed or not; but he was 200 knots slower then aircraft Y. Recommendation; I use leader length to gauge speed and distance on this sector; the r-side was using the 6 mile stick.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZFW hand off controller witnessed operational error when RADAR controller failed to recognize a speed overtake situation in time to issue corrective actions.
Narrative: We were coming out of holding due to cross winds. High switched Aircraft Y to us landing DAL; the R side descended him to FL230 because of a DFW lander at FL220. High 237 switched Air Carrier X to us at FL240 with control for lower; R-side descended him to FL190 not noticing the 200 knot over take. When the R-side noticed it and tried to fix it he turned Aircraft Y 30 left and tried to stop Air Carrier X at FL240. Air Carrier X said he would have to go back up and got as low as FL 237 before starting back up. I don't know if Air Carrier X was assigned a speed or not; but he was 200 knots slower then Aircraft Y. Recommendation; I use leader length to gauge speed and distance on this sector; the R-side was using the 6 mile stick.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.