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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 87217 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198805 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sli airport : sna |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla tracon : sna tower : ord |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute airway : zla |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : departure |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| ASRS Report | 87217 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | controller : radar |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Intra Facility Coordination Failure Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
I approved a pointout on an air taxi climb, an early pointout. Later, I accepted a handoff on an small aircraft Y opp direction at 9000', a late handoff. I recognized the situation and coordinated for visual sep. I became busy with other priority items. No handoff assistance was available. The air taxi procedure is a poor procedure (balboa loop) for this air taxi only. It was forced on coast TRACON because: 1) ZLA would not accept this aircraft in normal flow. 2) lax TRACON will not work this aircraft through their sky. 3) air taxi would not accept a reroute around critical traffic and into ont TRACON sky.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CTLR APPROVED POINTOUT ON SMT CLIMBING THROUGH HIS AIRSPACE AND THEN FORGOT HIM. HAD OPPOSITE DIRECTION TRAFFIC AT SAME ALT, HAD TO APPLY VISUAL SEPARATION. .
Narrative: I APPROVED A POINTOUT ON AN AIR TAXI CLB, AN EARLY POINTOUT. LATER, I ACCEPTED A HDOF ON AN SMA Y OPP DIRECTION AT 9000', A LATE HDOF. I RECOGNIZED THE SITUATION AND COORDINATED FOR VISUAL SEP. I BECAME BUSY WITH OTHER PRIORITY ITEMS. NO HDOF ASSISTANCE WAS AVAILABLE. THE AIR TAXI PROC IS A POOR PROC (BALBOA LOOP) FOR THIS AIR TAXI ONLY. IT WAS FORCED ON COAST TRACON BECAUSE: 1) ZLA WOULD NOT ACCEPT THIS ACFT IN NORMAL FLOW. 2) LAX TRACON WILL NOT WORK THIS ACFT THROUGH THEIR SKY. 3) AIR TAXI WOULD NOT ACCEPT A REROUTE AROUND CRITICAL TFC AND INTO ONT TRACON SKY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.