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An approach controller providing OJT experienced an operational deviation allegedly due to the less than clear separation standard listed in the 7110.65 regarding flights and the procedures required.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 868877 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201001 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | ZZZ.TRACON |
| State Reference | US |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | Fighting Falcon F16 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach |
| Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Fighting Falcon F16 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | Final Approach |
| Route In Use | Other Instrument Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | Approach Departure |
| Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
| Experience | Air Traffic Control Radar 20 Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 12 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
| Miss Distance | Vertical 1000 |
Narrative:
While training in radar; flights of military fighters were inbound to runway X. I was letting the trainee run with his plan. I asked him how many miles we need between non-standard flights. He said 3; I said 4; and the controller in charge concurred. During the session the two flights were both getting close to 4 miles of separation with the preceding aircraft. Both times I had the trainee break the flights out to re-sequence. During debrief we looked up 7110.65; 5-5-8.C. The phrasing is such I'm not sure what the separation should be. I've asked different controllers and management and gotten different answers. More research is being done. Recommendation: the paragraph needs to be rewritten.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An approach controller providing OJT experienced an operational deviation allegedly due to the less than clear separation standard listed in the 7110.65 regarding flights and the procedures required.
Narrative: While training in radar; flights of military fighters were inbound to Runway X. I was letting the trainee run with his plan. I asked him how many miles we need between non-standard flights. He said 3; I said 4; and the CIC concurred. During the session the two flights were both getting close to 4 miles of separation with the preceding aircraft. Both times I had the trainee break the flights out to re-sequence. During debrief we looked up 7110.65; 5-5-8.C. The phrasing is such I'm not sure what the separation should be. I've asked different controllers and management and gotten different answers. More research is being done. Recommendation: The paragraph needs to be rewritten.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.