Near midair collision air carrier large transport and GA small transport.

Attributes
ACN	86321
Time
Date	198804
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : srp
State Reference	AZ
Altitude	msl bound lower : 17500 msl bound upper : 17500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : abq
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng
Flight Phase	cruise other
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	86321
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 16000
ASRS Report	86220
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : took evasive action
Consequence	Other
Miss Distance	horizontal : 300 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

While flying peso-3 departure from phoenix, at 70 DME on 030 degree right off salt river, at 17500 MSL, observed light twin aircraft at our altitude, our 11 O'clock position, flying in our direction, slightly heading into us. We turned to the right, using autoplt, 20 degree bank, approximately 25-30 degree, to avoid him. Since we were looking almost directly at him from the rear, it was difficult to determine which way he was headed, and what direction we should turn. When we queried ATC, they said he was not painting on radar and they did not know he was there.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: NMAC ACR LGT AND GA SMT.

Narrative: WHILE FLYING PESO-3 DEP FROM PHOENIX, AT 70 DME ON 030 DEG R OFF SALT RIVER, AT 17500 MSL, OBSERVED LIGHT TWIN ACFT AT OUR ALT, OUR 11 O'CLOCK POSITION, FLYING IN OUR DIRECTION, SLIGHTLY HDG INTO US. WE TURNED TO THE RIGHT, USING AUTOPLT, 20 DEG BANK, APPROX 25-30 DEG, TO AVOID HIM. SINCE WE WERE LOOKING ALMOST DIRECTLY AT HIM FROM THE REAR, IT WAS DIFFICULT TO DETERMINE WHICH WAY HE WAS HEADED, AND WHAT DIRECTION WE SHOULD TURN. WHEN WE QUERIED ATC, THEY SAID HE WAS NOT PAINTING ON RADAR AND THEY DID NOT KNOW HE WAS THERE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.