Two experienced pilots on a training flight crossed bil runway 28R hold short line because it had be...

Attributes
ACN	858253
Time
Date	200910
Local Time Of Day	0601-1200
Place
Locale Reference	BIL.Airport
State Reference	MT
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Small Transport Low Wing 2 Recip Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	Taxi
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Function	Captain Instructor Pilot Not Flying
Qualification	Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Multiengine Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP)
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 100 Flight Crew Total 17800 Flight Crew Type 800
Person 2
Function	Pilot Flying Trainee
Qualification	Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Multiengine
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 10 Flight Crew Total 3200 Flight Crew Type 500
Events
Anomaly	Deviation - Procedural Clearance Ground Incursion Runway

Narrative:

We flew to bil and commenced multiple instrument approaches. After our second ILS; we asked the tower for a full stop landing and taxi back for takeoff. I; as previously briefed was the PIC; and he asked if I would act as pilot not flying in the right seat. As we cleared runway 28R at bil we stayed with the tower and were cleared to runway 28R. We exited at taxiway charlie; left on taxiway alpha to runway 28R. I was head down running checklists and programming the garmin 430 for the next RNAV runway 22 approach to laurel; then the tower told us to hold short! This was as we went across (way across) the hold short line. Because we already crossed the hold short line; the tower cleared us for takeoff and admonished us holding short. The hold short line for runway 28R had been moved from its old position close to runway 28R approach end earlier this summer. It now is near the edge of the run up pad nearly 100 yards from its old location. They relocated the hold short line to where the ILS critical hold short used to be. On other occasions; as pilot flying I have nearly taxied across the new hold short line in error. I have been on 3 different air carrier 121 flights that had to stomp on the breaks to avoid incurring the runway due to the location of the line. I talked to the tower supervisor after this and he said the line is in the wrong place but FAA airports division won't move it for 2 years. I know many runway incursions have happened at bil due to the new position of the hold short line. I feel if I had not acted as second in command; while the pilot in control act as a single pilot; I would have been more observant and would have helped avoid this incursion. Also; with an experienced peer in the left seat; I also dropped my guard down and should have been acting more as a CFI.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: Two experienced pilots on a training flight crossed BIL Runway 28R hold short line because it had been moved and the pilot taxiing was not expecting it so far from the runway.

Narrative: We flew to BIL and commenced multiple instrument approaches. After our second ILS; we asked the Tower for a full stop landing and taxi back for takeoff. I; as previously briefed was the PIC; and he asked if I would act as pilot not flying in the right seat. As we cleared Runway 28R at BIL we stayed with the Tower and were cleared to Runway 28R. We exited at Taxiway Charlie; left on Taxiway Alpha to Runway 28R. I was head down running checklists and programming the Garmin 430 for the next RNAV Runway 22 approach to Laurel; then the Tower told us to hold short! This was as we went across (way across) the hold short line. Because we already crossed the hold short line; the Tower cleared us for takeoff and admonished us holding short. The hold short line for Runway 28R had been moved from its old position close to Runway 28R approach end earlier this summer. It now is near the edge of the run up pad nearly 100 yards from its old location. They relocated the hold short line to where the ILS critical hold short used to be. On other occasions; as pilot flying I have nearly taxied across the new hold short line in error. I have been on 3 different air carrier 121 flights that had to stomp on the breaks to avoid incurring the runway due to the location of the line. I talked to the Tower Supervisor after this and he said the line is in the wrong place but FAA airports division won't move it for 2 years. I know many runway incursions have happened at BIL due to the new position of the hold short line. I feel if I had not acted as second in command; while the pilot in control act as a single pilot; I would have been more observant and would have helped avoid this incursion. Also; with an experienced peer in the left seat; I also dropped my guard down and should have been acting more as a CFI.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Two experienced pilots on a training flight crossed bil runway 28R hold short line because it had been moved and the pilot taxiing was not expecting it so far from the runway.