Questions the assignment of continuing flight over 8 in 24 hours.

Attributes
ACN	84870
Time
Date	198803
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : phl
State Reference	PA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	ground : preflight
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 400
ASRS Report	84870
Person 2
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

121-470 through 121-525 subpart Q, far. On a flight from frankfurt, germany to phl, flight time was XA55. Our company had scheduled us to continue from phl-ngu (norfolk) which was an additional 1 hour flight. It was my understanding that it is ok to continue under international regulations if you disembark passenger/cargo, but do not pick up passenger/cargo (this is supposed to make the crew less tired?). Anyway, our company told us that additional passenger were being put on from phl-ngu leg, but that they were international passenger from another air carrier so we could continue the flight west/O violating any far's. In summary, it is very hard for a pilot to refuse a trip (put his job on the line) when the far's are not clear and black and white when you go from international to domestic. Reference 121-481B, 121-483A, 121-513, 121-515-521. Corrective action: have an 800 toll free number manned 24 hours/day by FAA personnel to interpret any regulation problems that arise.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: QUESTIONS THE ASSIGNMENT OF CONTINUING FLT OVER 8 IN 24 HOURS.

Narrative: 121-470 THROUGH 121-525 SUBPART Q, FAR. ON A FLT FROM FRANKFURT, GERMANY TO PHL, FLT TIME WAS XA55. OUR COMPANY HAD SCHEDULED US TO CONTINUE FROM PHL-NGU (NORFOLK) WHICH WAS AN ADDITIONAL 1 HR FLT. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS OK TO CONTINUE UNDER INTL REGS IF YOU DISEMBARK PAX/CARGO, BUT DO NOT PICK UP PAX/CARGO (THIS IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE CREW LESS TIRED?). ANYWAY, OUR COMPANY TOLD US THAT ADDITIONAL PAX WERE BEING PUT ON FROM PHL-NGU LEG, BUT THAT THEY WERE INTERNATIONAL PAX FROM ANOTHER ACR SO WE COULD CONTINUE THE FLT W/O VIOLATING ANY FAR'S. IN SUMMARY, IT IS VERY HARD FOR A PLT TO REFUSE A TRIP (PUT HIS JOB ON THE LINE) WHEN THE FAR'S ARE NOT CLR AND BLACK AND WHITE WHEN YOU GO FROM INTL TO DOMESTIC. REF 121-481B, 121-483A, 121-513, 121-515-521. CORRECTIVE ACTION: HAVE AN 800 TOLL FREE NUMBER MANNED 24 HRS/DAY BY FAA PERSONNEL TO INTERPRET ANY REG PROBS THAT ARISE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.