|37000 Feet||Browse and search NASA's
Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : phl|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||ground : preflight|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
pilot : instrument
pilot : flight engineer
pilot : commercial
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 170|
flight time total : 6000
flight time type : 400
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : commercial|
pilot : instrument
|Anomaly||other anomaly other|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||other|
121-470 through 121-525 subpart Q, far. On a flight from frankfurt, germany to phl, flight time was XA55. Our company had scheduled us to continue from phl-ngu (norfolk) which was an additional 1 hour flight. It was my understanding that it is ok to continue under international regulations if you disembark passenger/cargo, but do not pick up passenger/cargo (this is supposed to make the crew less tired?). Anyway, our company told us that additional passenger were being put on from phl-ngu leg, but that they were international passenger from another air carrier so we could continue the flight west/O violating any far's. In summary, it is very hard for a pilot to refuse a trip (put his job on the line) when the far's are not clear and black and white when you go from international to domestic. Reference 121-481B, 121-483A, 121-513, 121-515-521. Corrective action: have an 800 toll free number manned 24 hours/day by FAA personnel to interpret any regulation problems that arise.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: QUESTIONS THE ASSIGNMENT OF CONTINUING FLT OVER 8 IN 24 HOURS.
Narrative: 121-470 THROUGH 121-525 SUBPART Q, FAR. ON A FLT FROM FRANKFURT, GERMANY TO PHL, FLT TIME WAS XA55. OUR COMPANY HAD SCHEDULED US TO CONTINUE FROM PHL-NGU (NORFOLK) WHICH WAS AN ADDITIONAL 1 HR FLT. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS OK TO CONTINUE UNDER INTL REGS IF YOU DISEMBARK PAX/CARGO, BUT DO NOT PICK UP PAX/CARGO (THIS IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE THE CREW LESS TIRED?). ANYWAY, OUR COMPANY TOLD US THAT ADDITIONAL PAX WERE BEING PUT ON FROM PHL-NGU LEG, BUT THAT THEY WERE INTERNATIONAL PAX FROM ANOTHER ACR SO WE COULD CONTINUE THE FLT W/O VIOLATING ANY FAR'S. IN SUMMARY, IT IS VERY HARD FOR A PLT TO REFUSE A TRIP (PUT HIS JOB ON THE LINE) WHEN THE FAR'S ARE NOT CLR AND BLACK AND WHITE WHEN YOU GO FROM INTL TO DOMESTIC. REF 121-481B, 121-483A, 121-513, 121-515-521. CORRECTIVE ACTION: HAVE AN 800 TOLL FREE NUMBER MANNED 24 HRS/DAY BY FAA PERSONNEL TO INTERPRET ANY REG PROBS THAT ARISE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.