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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : yul|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 200|
agl bound upper : 1500
|Controlling Facilities||tower : yul|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
pilot : flight engineer
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 180|
flight time total : 3500
flight time type : 400
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Anomaly||non adherence : far|
non adherence : published procedure
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
Captain got caught high and fast on ILS approach at night in snow. Intercepted G/south at approximately 200' AGL with +40 KTS speed and 2000 FPM sink. This is clearly out of flight manual parameters and defies common sense airmanship. Early in the approach I made known to the captain my feelings on how the approach was being conducted. He said, 'we'll make it ok.' at this point I began calling out speed, sink and above G/south. At about 500' AGL we had good visual with the runway but were sinking approximately 2500 FPM. At this time I was comfortable that we could make an acceptable landing. If this were not the case I would have been forced to take the airplane away from the captain and initiate a go around. This is a difficult spot to be in when 1 crew member is not playing by the rules. A go around maneuver should have been accomplished early on! Also, I question the prudence of starting a fight in the cockpit at 500' AGL with 2500 FPM sink!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT MADE FAST EXCESSIVE UNSTABILIZED APCH.
Narrative: CAPT GOT CAUGHT HIGH AND FAST ON ILS APCH AT NIGHT IN SNOW. INTERCEPTED G/S AT APPROX 200' AGL WITH +40 KTS SPD AND 2000 FPM SINK. THIS IS CLEARLY OUT OF FLT MANUAL PARAMETERS AND DEFIES COMMON SENSE AIRMANSHIP. EARLY IN THE APCH I MADE KNOWN TO THE CAPT MY FEELINGS ON HOW THE APCH WAS BEING CONDUCTED. HE SAID, 'WE'LL MAKE IT OK.' AT THIS POINT I BEGAN CALLING OUT SPD, SINK AND ABOVE G/S. AT ABOUT 500' AGL WE HAD GOOD VISUAL WITH THE RWY BUT WERE SINKING APPROX 2500 FPM. AT THIS TIME I WAS COMFORTABLE THAT WE COULD MAKE AN ACCEPTABLE LNDG. IF THIS WERE NOT THE CASE I WOULD HAVE BEEN FORCED TO TAKE THE AIRPLANE AWAY FROM THE CAPT AND INITIATE A GO AROUND. THIS IS A DIFFICULT SPOT TO BE IN WHEN 1 CREW MEMBER IS NOT PLAYING BY THE RULES. A GO AROUND MANEUVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED EARLY ON! ALSO, I QUESTION THE PRUDENCE OF STARTING A FIGHT IN THE COCKPIT AT 500' AGL WITH 2500 FPM SINK!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.