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Widebody transport on glide path for approach had near midair collision with aircraft in opposite direction.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 82074 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198802 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival : profile descent |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23500 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 82074 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 250 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
While on approach to 25L at lax, we experienced a near miss at 4500' on glide path. Traffic was opp direction, about 200-300' below us with no noriz sep. No time for evasive action and could not identify type of aircraft due to brevity of sighting. Advised approach control and contacted supervisor lax approach control by phone. He stated that they never had traffic on radar. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: captain and crew wonder why widebody transport wasn't seen by #2 aircraft, and why did ATC not have aircraft as radar target?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB ON GLIDE PATH FOR APCH HAD NMAC WITH ACFT IN OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
Narrative: WHILE ON APCH TO 25L AT LAX, WE EXPERIENCED A NEAR MISS AT 4500' ON GLIDE PATH. TFC WAS OPP DIRECTION, ABOUT 200-300' BELOW US WITH NO NORIZ SEP. NO TIME FOR EVASIVE ACTION AND COULD NOT IDENT TYPE OF ACFT DUE TO BREVITY OF SIGHTING. ADVISED APCH CTL AND CONTACTED SUPVR LAX APCH CTL BY PHONE. HE STATED THAT THEY NEVER HAD TFC ON RADAR. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: CAPT AND CREW WONDER WHY WDB WASN'T SEEN BY #2 ACFT, AND WHY DID ATC NOT HAVE ACFT AS RADAR TARGET?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.