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B747-400 captain reports company fails to provide up-to-date field conditions for required 'suitable' airports available on polar route flights.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 817135 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200812 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : cyzp.airport |
| State Reference | FO |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | other |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zfw.artcc tower : den.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B747-400 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Route In Use | enroute other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 300 |
| ASRS Report | 817135 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : company policies non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Company |
| Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Company computer generated weather lists 'no field conditions' for most or all suitable landing airports on polar route; as usual. This multi-decade old problem never gets resolved when runways are contaminated. 'No field conditions' means only that they have failed to provide the pilots with field conditions. As an example; tonight cyzf listed as 'no field conditions;' but runway has packed snow; frost and limited braking mu that likely makes it unusable. For many other airports; no data is provided when runways are contaminated. Private weather dispatch company tonight provided runway condition to me; their report being 4 hours old since the runway was inspected. Canadian FSS also had the same runway condition report; only company dispatch did not provide notification of contaminated runways on a polar route. The dispatcher told me the runway at cyzf was 'field conditions normal.' wrong information again provided by dispatch to the crew for the third decade in a row.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B747-400 Captain reports company fails to provide up-to-date field conditions for required 'suitable' airports available on polar route flights.
Narrative: Company computer generated weather lists 'no field conditions' for most or all suitable landing airports on polar route; as usual. This multi-decade old problem never gets resolved when runways are contaminated. 'No field conditions' means only that they have failed to provide the pilots with field conditions. As an example; tonight CYZF listed as 'no field conditions;' but runway has packed snow; frost and limited braking Mu that likely makes it unusable. For many other airports; no data is provided when runways are contaminated. Private weather dispatch company tonight provided runway condition to me; their report being 4 hours old since the runway was inspected. Canadian FSS also had the same runway condition report; only Company Dispatch did not provide notification of contaminated runways on a polar route. The Dispatcher told me the runway at CYZF was 'field conditions normal.' Wrong information again provided by Dispatch to the crew for the third decade in a row.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.