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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 816752 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200812 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
| State Reference | NV |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Weather Elements | Snow |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B737-700 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 144 |
| ASRS Report | 816752 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 159 |
| ASRS Report | 816522 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : company policies |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We landed in las after a 5 hour flight. Airport conditions were overcast with some light rain; above freezing (about 3-4 degrees). I realized that we had the potential for some ice formation; so I asked the first officer to look for ice 10-15 minutes after our arrival time. I left to buy us both some lunch. After my return; we were still experiencing rain; and the first officer reported that she had recently performed a preflight and that she had noticed only the acceptable amount of fuel frost on the underside of the wings and observed no ice on the top. I took her for her word and we departed on schedule uneventfully. We flew to our destination and eventually diverted due to a low ceiling at our original city. During deplaning; a deadheading crew member informed us that he had observed clear ice on our wings after departure; and most especially on the left wing. He told us that this ice eventually broke off during the climb. I am concerned that our procedures to detect ice by looking through the passenger windows and from the ground might not be enough in all lighting conditions. After dark; being extra cautious with wet wings; I asked a mechanic to use a stand and feel atop the leading edge on the left wing. He obliged; but I sensed that this was not a routine request. To be sure; my mag light was helpful in the dark environment. However; in the overcast light in las; this would not have helped. Frankly; I'm not sure what can be routinely done that would make our procedure 100% reliable. Ask boeing. Is there some paint or some other method that would make clear ice easier to observe/detect? Perhaps we should deplane and open the emergency exit hatch(es) when maintenance isn't available and under certain conditions. Where maintenance is available; should using the 'stand' method be a normal function? The operations agents reporting to us that deicing is ongoing for wing ice have been helpful to me in the past; but not absolute.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Deadheading crew member reported ice shedding on the wing upper surface of B737NG during climb out.
Narrative: We landed in LAS after a 5 hour flight. Airport conditions were overcast with some light rain; above freezing (about 3-4 degrees). I realized that we had the potential for some ice formation; so I asked the First Officer to look for ice 10-15 minutes after our arrival time. I left to buy us both some lunch. After my return; we were still experiencing rain; and the First Officer reported that she had recently performed a preflight and that she had noticed only the acceptable amount of fuel frost on the underside of the wings and observed no ice on the top. I took her for her word and we departed on schedule uneventfully. We flew to our destination and eventually diverted due to a low ceiling at our original city. During deplaning; a deadheading crew member informed us that he had observed clear ice on our wings after departure; and most especially on the left wing. He told us that this ice eventually broke off during the climb. I am concerned that our procedures to detect ice by looking through the passenger windows and from the ground might not be enough in all lighting conditions. After dark; being extra cautious with wet wings; I asked a mechanic to use a stand and feel atop the leading edge on the left wing. He obliged; but I sensed that this was not a routine request. To be sure; my mag light was helpful in the dark environment. However; in the overcast light in LAS; this would not have helped. Frankly; I'm not sure what can be routinely done that would make our procedure 100% reliable. Ask Boeing. Is there some paint or some other method that would make clear ice easier to observe/detect? Perhaps we should deplane and open the emergency exit hatch(es) when maintenance isn't available and under certain conditions. Where maintenance is available; should using the 'stand' method be a normal function? The Operations agents reporting to us that deicing is ongoing for wing ice have been helpful to me in the past; but not absolute.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.