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|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : san|
airport : nkx
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 9000|
msl bound upper : 10000
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : san|
|Make Model Name||Military Trainer|
|Flight Phase||descent other|
|Affiliation||government : military|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : military|
pilot : commercial
pilot : instrument
|Experience||flight time total : 2050|
flight time type : 150
|Function||instruction : trainee|
|Qualification||pilot : military|
|Anomaly||altitude deviation : undershoot|
non adherence : far
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other controllera|
other flight crewa
|Resolutory Action||controller : issued new clearance|
|Consequence||faa : reviewed incident with flight crew|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
While entering san diego airspace from working VFR in the warning area (W-291) first contact after handoff from 'beaver control' (controling agency for W-291) received squawk and 'climb to 1 - six thousand from app. I was in the front seat and student answered, 'roger, MTR to one - six thousand.' at this time I was looking at approach plate and recovery procedures and saw altitude was 16000'. Student had already started gradual descent and I asked him to confirm altitude. He said 1600'. I asked if he was sure, he said yes, and then I told him to confirm with approach. We waited until the frequency was clear and then called approach. As we were talking, they immediately said, MTR, you are in the TCA, climb and maintain 1600O', right turn to 275 degree. We immediately complied. When we landed at miramar, we were told to call approach. The problem here was a student who mixed up 16000' with 1600'. It was coupled with an instructor who was not totally listening to what was going on as he was reviewing the approach plates. It was not deliberate. There was also a problem with the IFF not being immediately picked up by approach for whatever reason. Weather was perfect.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIL FLT RETURNING TO BASE ON IFR FLT PLAN PENETRATED TCA.
Narrative: WHILE ENTERING SAN DIEGO AIRSPACE FROM WORKING VFR IN THE WARNING AREA (W-291) FIRST CONTACT AFTER HANDOFF FROM 'BEAVER CTL' (CTLING AGENCY FOR W-291) RECEIVED SQUAWK AND 'CLIMB TO 1 - SIX THOUSAND FROM APP. I WAS IN THE FRONT SEAT AND STUDENT ANSWERED, 'ROGER, MTR TO ONE - SIX THOUSAND.' AT THIS TIME I WAS LOOKING AT APCH PLATE AND RECOVERY PROCEDURES AND SAW ALT WAS 16000'. STUDENT HAD ALREADY STARTED GRADUAL DESCENT AND I ASKED HIM TO CONFIRM ALT. HE SAID 1600'. I ASKED IF HE WAS SURE, HE SAID YES, AND THEN I TOLD HIM TO CONFIRM WITH APCH. WE WAITED UNTIL THE FREQ WAS CLEAR AND THEN CALLED APCH. AS WE WERE TALKING, THEY IMMEDIATELY SAID, MTR, YOU ARE IN THE TCA, CLIMB AND MAINTAIN 1600O', R TURN TO 275 DEG. WE IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED. WHEN WE LANDED AT MIRAMAR, WE WERE TOLD TO CALL APCH. THE PROBLEM HERE WAS A STUDENT WHO MIXED UP 16000' WITH 1600'. IT WAS COUPLED WITH AN INSTRUCTOR WHO WAS NOT TOTALLY LISTENING TO WHAT WAS GOING ON AS HE WAS REVIEWING THE APCH PLATES. IT WAS NOT DELIBERATE. THERE WAS ALSO A PROBLEM WITH THE IFF NOT BEING IMMEDIATELY PICKED UP BY APCH FOR WHATEVER REASON. WEATHER WAS PERFECT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.