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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : 0q3|
|Altitude||agl bound lower : 0|
agl bound upper : 0
|Controlling Facilities||tower : lax|
|Operator||general aviation : instructional|
|Make Model Name||Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear|
|Flight Phase||landing other|
|Function||flight crew : single pilot|
|Qualification||pilot : instrument|
pilot : cfi
pilot : commercial
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 50|
flight time total : 301
flight time type : 81
|Function||observation : passenger|
|Qualification||pilot : private|
|Experience||flight time total : 300|
other anomaly other
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : unable|
|Consequence||faa : investigated|
faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
My friend, a commercial pilot with over 300 hours but no tailwheel time, wanted to see what the small aircraft is like, so we scheduled the plane for an hour, while in town. I was extremely tired, as we were in the bay area for only 3 days, and I had been filling in business appointments, interviews, much driving, little sleep into this period, as well as a long and fairly stressful flight from seattle in a light plane. So we both hesitated, he gave me the option not to go but in the end I told him I would be alert once flying. I expressed a lot of reservations about flying from the back seat, as I have minimal expence in that seat, but again gave in, so he could have a more realistic experience in the plane, from the front seat. I took off into the wind on the dirt runway, we flew around the area, and I allowed him to have the controls to get the feel of them. I told him in no way could I allow him to do any of the landing phase as I was not competent to correct nor fell I had the jurisdiction to allow him to do so. I made a touch and go on the x-wind runway, which is paved now. I chose this runway as there were puddles, mud and cones on the dirt runway, and I thought it safer with limited visibility to be on a hard-surfaced runway. On our second landing, to be a full stop, I touched down ok, as far as I know. Everything had been very stabilized and there was not a strong x-wind on final. However, I applied brakes too soon and too hard, not sure of maintaining centerline on the narrow runway with only peripheral vision to aid me, and after what felt like some wild oscillations I couldn't correct for, we slid sideways and when the plane came, hit the dirt, the right landing gear ripped off and the wing to rest on the ground, damaging it. Although legally current in type, I should have thought more about attempting back seat operations. One gets blase in tricycle gear planes. I gave in to pressure, missed flying the type of airplane, flew when I'd been exhausted, rushed to brake soon feeling panicky and not correctly using peripheral vision. Also I should have put in full stick for the gusts that probably hit us from the left and finally, should have done a wheels landing, something never taught to me in initial training but which I asked for some dual in recently and did three. Also runway was damp-might have contributed to skidding.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT SMA GND LOOP ON WET RWY RESULTING IN GEAR BEING SHEARED OFF AND DAMAGE TO WING.
Narrative: MY FRIEND, A COMMERCIAL PLT WITH OVER 300 HRS BUT NO TAILWHEEL TIME, WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE SMA IS LIKE, SO WE SCHEDULED THE PLANE FOR AN HR, WHILE IN TOWN. I WAS EXTREMELY TIRED, AS WE WERE IN THE BAY AREA FOR ONLY 3 DAYS, AND I HAD BEEN FILLING IN BUSINESS APPOINTMENTS, INTERVIEWS, MUCH DRIVING, LITTLE SLEEP INTO THIS PERIOD, AS WELL AS A LONG AND FAIRLY STRESSFUL FLT FROM SEATTLE IN A LIGHT PLANE. SO WE BOTH HESITATED, HE GAVE ME THE OPTION NOT TO GO BUT IN THE END I TOLD HIM I WOULD BE ALERT ONCE FLYING. I EXPRESSED A LOT OF RESERVATIONS ABOUT FLYING FROM THE BACK SEAT, AS I HAVE MINIMAL EXPENCE IN THAT SEAT, BUT AGAIN GAVE IN, SO HE COULD HAVE A MORE REALISTIC EXPERIENCE IN THE PLANE, FROM THE FRONT SEAT. I TOOK OFF INTO THE WIND ON THE DIRT RWY, WE FLEW AROUND THE AREA, AND I ALLOWED HIM TO HAVE THE CTLS TO GET THE FEEL OF THEM. I TOLD HIM IN NO WAY COULD I ALLOW HIM TO DO ANY OF THE LNDG PHASE AS I WAS NOT COMPETENT TO CORRECT NOR FELL I HAD THE JURISDICTION TO ALLOW HIM TO DO SO. I MADE A TOUCH AND GO ON THE X-WIND RWY, WHICH IS PAVED NOW. I CHOSE THIS RWY AS THERE WERE PUDDLES, MUD AND CONES ON THE DIRT RWY, AND I THOUGHT IT SAFER WITH LIMITED VISIBILITY TO BE ON A HARD-SURFACED RWY. ON OUR SECOND LNDG, TO BE A FULL STOP, I TOUCHED DOWN OK, AS FAR AS I KNOW. EVERYTHING HAD BEEN VERY STABILIZED AND THERE WAS NOT A STRONG X-WIND ON FINAL. HOWEVER, I APPLIED BRAKES TOO SOON AND TOO HARD, NOT SURE OF MAINTAINING CTRLINE ON THE NARROW RWY WITH ONLY PERIPHERAL VISION TO AID ME, AND AFTER WHAT FELT LIKE SOME WILD OSCILLATIONS I COULDN'T CORRECT FOR, WE SLID SIDEWAYS AND WHEN THE PLANE CAME, HIT THE DIRT, THE R LNDG GEAR RIPPED OFF AND THE WING TO REST ON THE GND, DAMAGING IT. ALTHOUGH LEGALLY CURRENT IN TYPE, I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT MORE ABOUT ATTEMPTING BACK SEAT OPS. ONE GETS BLASE IN TRICYCLE GEAR PLANES. I GAVE IN TO PRESSURE, MISSED FLYING THE TYPE OF AIRPLANE, FLEW WHEN I'D BEEN EXHAUSTED, RUSHED TO BRAKE SOON FEELING PANICKY AND NOT CORRECTLY USING PERIPHERAL VISION. ALSO I SHOULD HAVE PUT IN FULL STICK FOR THE GUSTS THAT PROBABLY HIT US FROM THE L AND FINALLY, SHOULD HAVE DONE A WHEELS LNDG, SOMETHING NEVER TAUGHT TO ME IN INITIAL TRAINING BUT WHICH I ASKED FOR SOME DUAL IN RECENTLY AND DID THREE. ALSO RWY WAS DAMP-MIGHT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO SKIDDING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.