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| Attributes | |
| ACN | 795018 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200807 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
| State Reference | US |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : zzz.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | A319 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 795018 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Weather Company |
| Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
My dispatcher told me that I did not need an alternate because I was off the gate; I was airborne. The WX was 300 and 1 1/2 at my destination forecast was update to 300 and 1 for my arrival. I ask for an alternate; that is when I was told I did not need one. This statement had lots of attitude. I hung up the phone and called and asked for a supervisor; and told him the same thing; WX; I was then issued an alternate this required a gate return for additional fuel. Why was my dispatcher willing to send the passenger out without the required alternate; into bad WX without the necessary fuel? What pressures are they under?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A319 CAPT DISCOVERS AFTER PUSH BACK THAT WX AT DESTINATION NOW REQUIRES AN ALTERNATE. DISPATCHER DISAGREES; CAPT PREVAILS.
Narrative: MY DISPATCHER TOLD ME THAT I DID NOT NEED AN ALTERNATE BECAUSE I WAS OFF THE GATE; I WAS AIRBORNE. THE WX WAS 300 AND 1 1/2 AT MY DEST FORECAST WAS UPDATE TO 300 AND 1 FOR MY ARR. I ASK FOR AN ALTERNATE; THAT IS WHEN I WAS TOLD I DID NOT NEED ONE. THIS STATEMENT HAD LOTS OF ATTITUDE. I HUNG UP THE PHONE AND CALLED AND ASKED FOR A SUPVR; AND TOLD HIM THE SAME THING; WX; I WAS THEN ISSUED AN ALTERNATE THIS REQUIRED A GATE RETURN FOR ADDITIONAL FUEL. WHY WAS MY DISPATCHER WILLING TO SEND THE PAX OUT WITHOUT THE REQUIRED ALTERNATE; INTO BAD WX WITHOUT THE NECESSARY FUEL? WHAT PRESSURES ARE THEY UNDER?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.