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|Local Time Of Day||1201 To 1800|
|Locale Reference||airport : zzz.airport|
|Altitude||agl single value : 0|
|Operator||general aviation : personal|
|Make Model Name||Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||landing : roll|
|Make Model Name||Robinson R22|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||climbout : takeoff|
|Function||instruction : instructor|
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
pilot : cfi
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 200|
flight time total : 20000
flight time type : 3500
|Anomaly||conflict : ground critical|
non adherence : published procedure
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
other flight crewb
|Resolutory Action||flight crew : took evasive action|
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
While instructing his student; the CFI was landing in a moderate crosswind; and the normal radio call from base leg was omitted by both crewmen. After touchdown; when speed was reduced somewhat; both CFI and student realized a helicopter was making a takeoff run; which would intersect the landing runway they were on. This was the only runway in use at the time for airplanes. Helicopters normally take off at this airport directly on the parallel txwys. As the helicopter approached a collision point; the pilot made a hard; climbing; pedal turn to the right and returned to a position from his starting point well off the runway and taxiway. It is estimated the cessna had been (at that time) too fast to stop short of a collision; and too slow to cross the helicopter's path to safety before a collision. Only the hard turn-back by the helicopter pilot averted the collision. It is thought that the helicopter made no radio call during his takeoff run as well as none from the airplane. These are speculations as no recordings were available. Apparently; more judicious use of the communications might have avoided this situation entirely. Sometimes; with 2 CFI's and 2 students in close proximity; such omissions do occur and this apparently is a continuing safety problem. It was gusty; a crosswind existed; and the student in the airplane was needing some detailed help on his technique. The CFI was very involved in his demonstration. The helicopter situation is open to speculation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 STUDENT AND INSTRUCTOR HAVE CLOSE ENCOUNTER WITH R22 TAKING OFF ACROSS THE RWY ON WHICH THEY HAD JUST TOUCHED DOWN. NEITHER ACFT ANNOUNCED ON CTAF.
Narrative: WHILE INSTRUCTING HIS STUDENT; THE CFI WAS LNDG IN A MODERATE XWIND; AND THE NORMAL RADIO CALL FROM BASE LEG WAS OMITTED BY BOTH CREWMEN. AFTER TOUCHDOWN; WHEN SPD WAS REDUCED SOMEWHAT; BOTH CFI AND STUDENT REALIZED A HELI WAS MAKING A TKOF RUN; WHICH WOULD INTERSECT THE LNDG RWY THEY WERE ON. THIS WAS THE ONLY RWY IN USE AT THE TIME FOR AIRPLANES. HELIS NORMALLY TAKE OFF AT THIS ARPT DIRECTLY ON THE PARALLEL TXWYS. AS THE HELI APCHED A COLLISION POINT; THE PLT MADE A HARD; CLBING; PEDAL TURN TO THE R AND RETURNED TO A POS FROM HIS STARTING POINT WELL OFF THE RWY AND TXWY. IT IS ESTIMATED THE CESSNA HAD BEEN (AT THAT TIME) TOO FAST TO STOP SHORT OF A COLLISION; AND TOO SLOW TO CROSS THE HELI'S PATH TO SAFETY BEFORE A COLLISION. ONLY THE HARD TURN-BACK BY THE HELI PLT AVERTED THE COLLISION. IT IS THOUGHT THAT THE HELI MADE NO RADIO CALL DURING HIS TKOF RUN AS WELL AS NONE FROM THE AIRPLANE. THESE ARE SPECULATIONS AS NO RECORDINGS WERE AVAILABLE. APPARENTLY; MORE JUDICIOUS USE OF THE COMS MIGHT HAVE AVOIDED THIS SITUATION ENTIRELY. SOMETIMES; WITH 2 CFI'S AND 2 STUDENTS IN CLOSE PROX; SUCH OMISSIONS DO OCCUR AND THIS APPARENTLY IS A CONTINUING SAFETY PROB. IT WAS GUSTY; A XWIND EXISTED; AND THE STUDENT IN THE AIRPLANE WAS NEEDING SOME DETAILED HELP ON HIS TECHNIQUE. THE CFI WAS VERY INVOLVED IN HIS DEMONSTRATION. THE HELI SITUATION IS OPEN TO SPECULATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.