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|Locale Reference||airport : teb.airport|
|Altitude||msl bound lower : 1500|
msl bound upper : 1700
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : n90.tracon|
|Operator||general aviation : corporate|
|Make Model Name||Gulfstream IV|
|Operating Under FAR Part||Part 91|
|Flight Phase||climbout : takeoff|
|Route In Use||departure sid : teb|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Experience||flight time last 90 days : 110|
flight time total : 10000
flight time type : 2800
|Anomaly||altitude deviation : overshoot|
non adherence : published procedure
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||controller : issued new clearance|
flight crew : returned to assigned altitude
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
Our departure clearance was via teb 5 rv-lanna-east texas-V39-mulrr-dct-aml-dct- expect 8000/10 mins... On takeoff PF was with excessive rate of climb so I pushed controls forward; aircraft climbed to 1700 ft and then leveled off at 1500 ft as per SID; I missed tower instructions to change to departure so I called back and was released; on contacting departure I was told to proceed direct solberg (sbj) and via V?? Called back and was told again direct sbj and then via V30; I had SID and area chart and could not find V30; and told controller so; he came back ranting and almost screaming that V30 was on the chart and to look for it; I replied that my clearance was teb 5-LANNA east texas; he came with same attitude; that he had the authority to issue amended clrncs and told me again to look at my chart. In the meantime; I got hold of the lo altitude chart and found V30; to my surprise the distance from sbj to lanna was 13 NM on the same heading. All this confusion would not had happened if I had as third chart the lo-en route; but also the controller could have very easily cleared me sbj-lanna; a 13 NM distance on our same heading.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GIV CAPT AFTER MISSING INITIAL ALT RESTR AND CORRECTING; RPTS VERBAL DISPUTE WITH N90 CTLR DURING THE LATTER PORTION OF THE TEB 5 DEP.
Narrative: OUR DEP CLRNC WAS VIA TEB 5 RV-LANNA-EAST TEXAS-V39-MULRR-DCT-AML-DCT- EXPECT 8000/10 MINS... ON TKOF PF WAS WITH EXCESSIVE RATE OF CLB SO I PUSHED CTLS FORWARD; ACFT CLBED TO 1700 FT AND THEN LEVELED OFF AT 1500 FT AS PER SID; I MISSED TWR INSTRUCTIONS TO CHANGE TO DEP SO I CALLED BACK AND WAS RELEASED; ON CONTACTING DEP I WAS TOLD TO PROCEED DIRECT SOLBERG (SBJ) AND VIA V?? CALLED BACK AND WAS TOLD AGAIN DIRECT SBJ AND THEN VIA V30; I HAD SID AND AREA CHART AND COULD NOT FIND V30; AND TOLD CTLR SO; HE CAME BACK RANTING AND ALMOST SCREAMING THAT V30 WAS ON THE CHART AND TO LOOK FOR IT; I REPLIED THAT MY CLRNC WAS TEB 5-LANNA EAST TEXAS; HE CAME WITH SAME ATTITUDE; THAT HE HAD THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE AMENDED CLRNCS AND TOLD ME AGAIN TO LOOK AT MY CHART. IN THE MEANTIME; I GOT HOLD OF THE LO ALTITUDE CHART AND FOUND V30; TO MY SURPRISE THE DISTANCE FROM SBJ TO LANNA WAS 13 NM ON THE SAME HDG. ALL THIS CONFUSION WOULD NOT HAD HAPPENED IF I HAD AS THIRD CHART THE LO-ENRTE; BUT ALSO THE CTLR COULD HAVE VERY EASILY CLRED ME SBJ-LANNA; A 13 NM DISTANCE ON OUR SAME HDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.