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An air carrier pilot reports a dca runway change from 01 to 19 while on the eldee two arrival with a new first officer. The aircraft could not descend to make altitude constraints.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 772497 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200801 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dca.airport |
| State Reference | DC |
| Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Marginal |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | arrival star : eldee |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 16000 |
| ASRS Report | 772497 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Arrival into dca; on eldee.ELDEE2 for runway 1 ILS. Runway 1 ILS selected based on current and forecasted WX/winds; of 06 degrees/4-6 KTS. On eldee.ELDEE2 profile; as cleared; ATIS was checked by first officer. I was told that runway in use was river visual runway 19. I asked first officer to reprogram FMS for that runway 19; as aircraft continued profile descent. Arrival doubled-up on itself and all profile altitudes dropped out. First officer was reprogramming FMS as we continue descent. ATC reclred us to cross eldee at 8000 ft and a heading at eldee; as we were unable to meet eldee.ELDEE2 profile altitudes. Eldee.ELDEE2 arrival is new to dca. This was my first time on arrival with a late runway change. First officer was new and had not been to dca and had not seen an arrival double-up and altitudes drop; as a result of runway change. We should have obtain ATIS earlier. We should have recognized altitude problem earlier; removed automation earlier.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PILOT REPORTS A DCA RWY CHANGE FROM 01 TO 19 WHILE ON THE ELDEE TWO ARRIVAL WITH A NEW FO. THE ACFT COULD NOT DESCEND TO MAKE ALT CONSTRAINTS.
Narrative: ARR INTO DCA; ON ELDEE.ELDEE2 FOR RWY 1 ILS. RWY 1 ILS SELECTED BASED ON CURRENT AND FORECASTED WX/WINDS; OF 06 DEGS/4-6 KTS. ON ELDEE.ELDEE2 PROFILE; AS CLRED; ATIS WAS CHKED BY FO. I WAS TOLD THAT RWY IN USE WAS RIVER VISUAL RWY 19. I ASKED FO TO REPROGRAM FMS FOR THAT RWY 19; AS ACFT CONTINUED PROFILE DSCNT. ARR DOUBLED-UP ON ITSELF AND ALL PROFILE ALTS DROPPED OUT. FO WAS REPROGRAMMING FMS AS WE CONTINUE DSCNT. ATC RECLRED US TO CROSS ELDEE AT 8000 FT AND A HDG AT ELDEE; AS WE WERE UNABLE TO MEET ELDEE.ELDEE2 PROFILE ALTS. ELDEE.ELDEE2 ARR IS NEW TO DCA. THIS WAS MY FIRST TIME ON ARR WITH A LATE RWY CHANGE. FO WAS NEW AND HAD NOT BEEN TO DCA AND HAD NOT SEEN AN ARR DOUBLE-UP AND ALTS DROP; AS A RESULT OF RWY CHANGE. WE SHOULD HAVE OBTAIN ATIS EARLIER. WE SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED ALT PROB EARLIER; REMOVED AUTOMATION EARLIER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.