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Aviation Safety Reporting System
|Local Time Of Day||0601 To 1200|
|Locale Reference||atc facility : m98.tracon|
|Controlling Facilities||tracon : msp.tracon|
|Operator||common carrier : air carrier|
|Make Model Name||Commercial Fixed Wing|
|Flight Phase||descent : approach|
|Route In Use||arrival star : eau|
|Affiliation||company : air carrier|
|Function||flight crew : captain|
oversight : pic
|Qualification||pilot : atp|
|Function||flight crew : first officer|
|Anomaly||non adherence : published procedure|
|Independent Detector||other flight crewa|
|Resolutory Action||none taken : anomaly accepted|
|Problem Areas||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Primary Problem||Flight Crew Human Performance|
|Air Traffic Incident||Pilot Deviation|
We followed ATC instructions as they were issued. Flight was cleared to msp via the eau.EAU8 arrival. Prior to eau; ATC reclred direct to bitlr intersection; wildd one arrival; press transition; descend to 4000 ft (from 9000 ft). Prior to reaching press and after reaching bitlr; msp approach issued the following clearance; 'cleared direct to narco; do you have the field in sight?' we replied yes. Approach then said 'cleared direct narco; cleared visual approach runway 30L; keep your speed up.' we were level at 4000 ft; and the PF began a slow descent to 3000 ft; as that is the published crossing altitude at narco for the GS. At approximately 3600 ft; msp approach stated 'FYI; clearance for a visual approach does not constitute a departure from class B airspace.' we reduced speed to 200 KTS; and continued the approach. ATC notified us. Speed was slowed. Maintain last ATC altitude until on published section of an approach. Decline all visual approachs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LNDG AT MSP; CLRED FOR VISUAL APCH DEPARTED CLASS B AND IS CHALLENGED BY ATC.
Narrative: WE FOLLOWED ATC INSTRUCTIONS AS THEY WERE ISSUED. FLT WAS CLRED TO MSP VIA THE EAU.EAU8 ARR. PRIOR TO EAU; ATC RECLRED DIRECT TO BITLR INTXN; WILDD ONE ARR; PRESS TRANSITION; DSND TO 4000 FT (FROM 9000 FT). PRIOR TO REACHING PRESS AND AFTER REACHING BITLR; MSP APCH ISSUED THE FOLLOWING CLRNC; 'CLRED DIRECT TO NARCO; DO YOU HAVE THE FIELD IN SIGHT?' WE REPLIED YES. APCH THEN SAID 'CLRED DIRECT NARCO; CLRED VISUAL APCH RWY 30L; KEEP YOUR SPD UP.' WE WERE LEVEL AT 4000 FT; AND THE PF BEGAN A SLOW DSCNT TO 3000 FT; AS THAT IS THE PUBLISHED XING ALT AT NARCO FOR THE GS. AT APPROX 3600 FT; MSP APCH STATED 'FYI; CLRNC FOR A VISUAL APCH DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A DEP FROM CLASS B AIRSPACE.' WE REDUCED SPD TO 200 KTS; AND CONTINUED THE APCH. ATC NOTIFIED US. SPD WAS SLOWED. MAINTAIN LAST ATC ALT UNTIL ON PUBLISHED SECTION OF AN APCH. DECLINE ALL VISUAL APCHS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.