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Air carrier captain concerned that his first officer had not been trained by the company to fly a canpa (constant angle non precision approach).
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 741435 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200706 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : bos.airport |
| State Reference | MA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : a90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer only : 27 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument non precision arrival : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 157 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 3850 |
| ASRS Report | 741435 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : company policies |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Company Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
First officer was PF. Approach gave us the ILS runway 27 GS inoperative. I set up for canpa and he said that he didn't know how to do it. Short discussion concluded that he was not trained in initial training. Luckily; I spotted the airport; pointed it out to the first officer and we were cleared for the visual. I just find it odd that the first officer was about 2 months out of training and had not received canpa training while there. Now that the fsm revision is out; how am I supposed to conduct a canpa approach with a first officer that is not trained? I am not a check airman; so we cannot comply with the fsm. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: it was determined that in fact the training for this new procedure is being done in the initial training of crews and at recurrent training for currently qualified crews. A survey is underway to determine which crewmembers have not received the training.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT CONCERNED THAT HIS FO HAD NOT BEEN TRAINED BY THE COMPANY TO FLY A CANPA (CONSTANT ANGLE NON PRECISION APCH).
Narrative: FO WAS PF. APCH GAVE US THE ILS RWY 27 GS INOP. I SET UP FOR CANPA AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT. SHORT DISCUSSION CONCLUDED THAT HE WAS NOT TRAINED IN INITIAL TRAINING. LUCKILY; I SPOTTED THE ARPT; POINTED IT OUT TO THE FO AND WE WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL. I JUST FIND IT ODD THAT THE FO WAS ABOUT 2 MONTHS OUT OF TRAINING AND HAD NOT RECEIVED CANPA TRAINING WHILE THERE. NOW THAT THE FSM REVISION IS OUT; HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CONDUCT A CANPA APCH WITH A FO THAT IS NOT TRAINED? I AM NOT A CHK AIRMAN; SO WE CANNOT COMPLY WITH THE FSM. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IN FACT THE TRAINING FOR THIS NEW PROC IS BEING DONE IN THE INITIAL TRAINING OF CREWS AND AT RECURRENT TRAINING FOR CURRENTLY QUALIFIED CREWS. A SURVEY IS UNDERWAY TO DETERMINE WHICH CREWMEMBERS HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE TRAINING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.