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CRJ200 crew is admonished by N90 controller for an early turn at cri while performing the kennedy 1 canarsie climb.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 735083 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200704 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other vortac |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure sid : kennedy 1 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 4000 |
| ASRS Report | 735083 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
Departing runway 31L at jfk we turned to cri as required by the kennedy 1 departure. After checking in with departure control we were told to stop our climb at 4000 ft instead of 5000 ft. At .6 DME from cri; I began the turn for the 176 degree radial for the canarsie climb. After making the turn departure control asked why we started the turn so early. He also stated that we were cutting off the aircraft in front of us. An aircraft was visibly 1000 ft higher moving from our right to left some distance ahead of us. It had been my understanding that company procedure required us to lead the turn on the jfk 1 departure to avoid overshooting cri and conflicting with lga traffic. .5 mi seemed suitable and had we not been given a heading by ATC; it would have worked out well to intercept the outbound radial.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CRJ200 CREW IS ADMONISHED BY N90 CONTROLLER FOR AN EARLY TURN AT CRI WHILE PERFORMING THE KENNEDY 1 CANARSIE CLIMB.
Narrative: DEPARTING RWY 31L AT JFK WE TURNED TO CRI AS REQUIRED BY THE KENNEDY 1 DEP. AFTER CHKING IN WITH DEP CTL WE WERE TOLD TO STOP OUR CLB AT 4000 FT INSTEAD OF 5000 FT. AT .6 DME FROM CRI; I BEGAN THE TURN FOR THE 176 DEG RADIAL FOR THE CANARSIE CLB. AFTER MAKING THE TURN DEP CTL ASKED WHY WE STARTED THE TURN SO EARLY. HE ALSO STATED THAT WE WERE CUTTING OFF THE ACFT IN FRONT OF US. AN ACFT WAS VISIBLY 1000 FT HIGHER MOVING FROM OUR R TO L SOME DISTANCE AHEAD OF US. IT HAD BEEN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT COMPANY PROC REQUIRED US TO LEAD THE TURN ON THE JFK 1 DEP TO AVOID OVERSHOOTING CRI AND CONFLICTING WITH LGA TFC. .5 MI SEEMED SUITABLE AND HAD WE NOT BEEN GIVEN A HDG BY ATC; IT WOULD HAVE WORKED OUT WELL TO INTERCEPT THE OUTBOUND RADIAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.